Official HD 2900 Discussion Thread

[perkam]

Hector Ruiz wouldn't allow a catastrophe of that magnitude...Dave Orton would...but Hector wouldn't...you can't even think about fighting a multi-billion dollar monopoly if you take out products 8 months later only to be inferior to the competitor.

The $399 HD 2900 XT will kick the 8800's behind all the way from Tunisia to Santa Clara.

Perkam

[eXceeded]

I have had pretty much the same success with my ATI cards. It is because of this that I no longer get lower models in hopes of reaching higher model speeds after an overclock. It just never seems to work out that way. Starting from my X1900XTX I am always only buying the very top end part and hoping for a minimal overclock, that way I am still on top an not having buyers remorse as $100 to me is worth knowing I have the fastest, and not regretting it a week later that the $100 I saved could have been made up with my next pay cheque, yet I am stuck with what I feel is an under performing part than what I could have had.

Exactly lol, to be honest I think you should do teh same as me and wait a month or 2 after it's released to ensure a good sample. I do not, and can not, deal with another poor overclocker. My CPU already pisses me off because of that fact, it's one of the first ones as well typically...

[WeaponX]

Hector Ruiz wouldn't allow a catastrophe of that magnitude...Dave Orton would...but Hector wouldn't...you can't even think about fighting a multi-billion dollar monopoly if you take out products 8 months later only to be inferior to the competitor.

The $399 HD 2900 XT will kick the 8800's behind all the way from Tunisia to Santa Clara.

Perkam

Let's hope so...

[Periander6]

Hector Ruiz wouldn't allow a catastrophe of that magnitude...Dave Orton would...but Hector wouldn't...you can't even think about fighting a multi-billion dollar monopoly if you take out products 8 months later only to be inferior to the competitor.

Hector wouldn't allow a catastrophe of that magnitude? LOL Hector can't even avoid creating a catastrophe of that magnitude all by himself. Bigger in fact, because that exactly what the ATI acquisition has turned into. He's now mortgaged AMD's future under a pile of debt the likes of which AMD has never faced before. As for his ideas about how to fight a multi-billion dollar monopoly, did you listen to AMD's last conference call and all of Hector's blathering about going "asset-light"? Asset light and debt heavy? Clueless and laughable if he thinks AMD is going to be able to take on Intel like that.

Hector is an idiot who's only successes were 100% the result of the efforts of his predecessor Jerry Sanders. The sooner AMD gets rid of him, the better off AMD will be.

[Dainas]

It isn't a matter of allowing or not, if the engineers can't get results from the path they've taken and cannot find a better one its not directly the CEOs fault. There are fewer industries more tedious, and even those in far more straightforward lines of business blatantly screw up with end products, even while under great pressure to compete.

Nvidia had far less to excuse itself for the NV30 line than ATI has if the R600 doesnt turn out great, and that didn't stop the FX from happening.

[Kanten]

They must be only using the XP drivers and OS because the numbers in CF vs the GTX are very much different.

Shouldn't it have higher performance scores in XP, considering how Vista is still far from gaming-ready? If they were benching XP 8800 against Vista 2900 then that statement might make more sense.

Also...CF numbers are different against the GTX? Double card is different against a single card, really?

[Shintai]

Hector Ruiz wouldn't allow a catastrophe of that magnitude...Dave Orton would...but Hector wouldn't...you can't even think about fighting a multi-billion dollar monopoly if you take out products 8 months later only to be inferior to the competitor.

The $399 HD 2900 XT will kick the 8800's behind all the way from Tunisia to Santa Clara.

Perkam

Hector has just been milking AMD. All he wants is money for himself. Did you check his wage? 12million last year. Try check what others earn.

To compare ATI made a 32million$ profit in 2005 I think. Or take 10million and hire 100 research people.

[keiths]

It isn't a matter of allowing or not, if the engineers can't get results from the path they've taken and cannot find a better one its not directly the CEOs fault. There are fewer industries more tedious, and even those in far more straightforward lines of business blatantly screw up with end products, even while under great pressure to compete.

Nvidia had far less to excuse itself for the NV30 line than ATI has if the R600 doesnt turn out great, and that didn't stop the FX from happening.

It was. The direction they took was deliberate and completely at the feet of management. They pointificated about their vision over a long period of time in many interviews and conferences. "not about core anymore" being a phrase Hector would repeatedly say and Meyer parroted. It was going to be about platform and integrated video, and they described how core improvements, clock rate, and number of cores, ie cpu performance, wasn't important anymore. The only problem was they were wrong. Given c2d as an option, people bought those instead of "good enough"/"let them eat cake" AMD chips, which resulted in their losses. Taking heed of reality slapping them in the face, they've changed course somewhat, which has resulted in more improvements(claims of) in the k10.

[Dainas]

Well in this case it was the CEOs fault originally.


Was just saying that CEOs cannot simply steer a company from destruction if their entire engineering are putting their all into a ground up new design and it isn't measuring up to the competition. You can't order someone to make something better if they honestly don't know how to with the given resources.

[korda]

http://r800.blogspot.com/

Said to be test slides from AMD/ATI. XT vs GTS.

[nn_step]

http://r800.blogspot.com/

Said to be test slides from AMD/ATI. XT vs GTS.

Oh that is some serious scaling gold

[Shintai]

http://r800.blogspot.com/

Said to be test slides from AMD/ATI. XT vs GTS.

That reminds me so much of level505...

[Lightman]

This scaling is more than amazing!!

If this is true then and my previous post makes it very probably it is!!

I wonder how HD2900XT CF will compete with nV8800GTX SLI then ...

PS. Now I know why 8800GTX is faster in most todays games ...



16 texture units of ATI/AMD R600 versus 32 texture units of nVidia G80 GTX makes a difference.

[nn_step]

This scaling is more than amazing!!

If this is true then and my previous post makes it very probably it is!!

I wonder how HD2900XT CF will compete with nV8800GTX SLI then ...

well if those scaling numbers are correct than the 2900XT in CF will walk all over Quad 8800GTX SLi

[Kasparz]

This is going for my desktop wallpaper.

[DeathReborn]

That reminds me so much of level505...

I concur, it looks like more

It's nothing but a ATI/AMD PR mouthpiece fanboy piece of crap blog.

[korda]

2D clocks are 507/514, and yet it idles at 68 degrees C. Lets hope they took that pic in Africa.

[Kasparz]

Stock coolers are for nubs.

[Kanten]

Comparing an enthusiast card to a mainstream-end one. Yeah, that doesn't look suspicious at all.

[AbelJemka]

Comparing an enthusiast card to a mainstream-end one. Yeah, that doesn't look suspicious at all.

HD 2900XT and 8800GTS 640 are same segment with same MSRP ($399-$449) so why not compare them?

[Kinc]

Dailytechs benchmarks are inaccurate. Atleast in terms of 3dmark 06

[96redformula]

There are more leaked benchmarks that just came out that expalin alot IMO. I believe they are accurate and claim only 16TMU's, this would explain how it is comparable to the GTS. This also reminds me of the x1800, shortly followed by a more powerful x1900.

They probably want to start off with the 16TMU version, then will have the refresh with more.

[Jamesrt2004]

HD 2900XT and 8800GTS 640 are same segment with same MSRP ($399-$449) so why not compare them?

QFT tbh no point comparing it with something $200 more

[Lightman]

Dailytechs benchmarks are inaccurate. Atleast in terms of 3dmark 06

Kinc can you say how far off are these benchmarks (in --/-/+/++ way) and are you hoping for some 3D records with this card??

I hope you are getting serious clocks from this card...

Thanks in advance

PS. 2nd of May or 14th of May which one is true??

[MAS]

2900XT is a little slower than 8800GTX