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    New Earth-Like Planet Discovered

    Temperature and gravity make it habitable When can i pack my bags?? Earth 2...prepare for sladesurfer http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/0....ap/index.html

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- European astronomers have found the most Earth-like planet outside our solar system, and here's what it might be like to live there:

    The "sun" wouldn't burn brightly. It would hang close, large and red in the sky, glowing faintly like a charcoal ember. And it probably would never set if you lived on the sunny side of the planet.

    You could have a birthday party every 13 days because that's how fast this new planet circles its sun-like star. But watch the cake -- you'd weigh a whole lot more than you do on Earth.

    You might be able to keep your current wardrobe. The temperature in this alien setting will likely be a lot like Earth's -- not too hot, not too cold.

    And that "just right" temperature is one key reason astronomers think this planet could conceivably house life outside our solar system. It's also as close to Earth-sized as telescopes have ever spotted. Both elements make it the first potentially habitable planet besides Earth or Mars.

    Astronomers who announced the discovery of the new planet Tuesday say this puts them closer to answering the cosmic question: Are we alone?

    "It's a significant step on the way to finding possible life in the universe," said University of Geneva astronomer Michel Mayor, one of 11 European scientists on the team that found the new body. "It's a nice discovery. We still have a lot of questions."

    There's still a lot that is unknown about the new planet, which could be deemed inhospitable to life once more is learned about it. But as galaxies go, it's practically a neighbor. At only 120 trillion miles away, the red dwarf star that this planet circles is one of the 100 closest to Earth.

    The results of the discovery have not been published but have been submitted to the journal Astronomy and Astrophysics.

    Alan Boss, who works at the Carnegie Institution of Washington where a U.S. team of astronomers competed in the hunt for an Earth-like planet, called it "a major milestone in this business."

    The planet was discovered by the European Southern Observatory's telescope in La Silla, Chile, which has a special instrument that splits light to find wobbles in different wavelengths. Those wobbles can reveal the existence of other worlds.

    What they revealed is a planet circling the red dwarf star, Gliese 581. Red dwarfs are low-energy, tiny stars that give off dim red light and last longer than stars like our sun. Until a few years ago, astronomers didn't consider these stars as possible hosts of planets that might sustain life.

    The discovery of the new planet, named 581 c, is sure to fuel studies of planets circling similar dim stars. About 80 percent of the stars near Earth are red dwarfs.

    The new planet is about five times heavier than Earth, and gravity there would be 1.6 times as strong as Earth's. Its discoverers aren't certain if it is rocky like Earth or if its a frozen ice ball with liquid water on the surface. If it is rocky like Earth, which is what the prevailing theory proposes, it has a diameter about 11/2 times bigger than our planet. If it is an iceball, as Mayor suggests, it would be even bigger.

    Based on theory, 581 c should have an atmosphere, but what's in that atmosphere is still a mystery and if it's too thick that could make the planet's surface temperature too hot, Mayor said.

    However, the research team believes the average temperature to be somewhere between 32 and 104 degrees and that set off celebrations among astronomers.

    Until now, all 220 planets astronomers have found outside our solar system have had the "Goldilocks problem." They've been too hot, too cold or just plain too big and gaseous, like uninhabitable Jupiter.

    The new planet seems just right -- or at least that's what scientists think.

    "This could be very important," said NASA astrobiology expert Chris McKay, who was not part of the discovery team. "It doesn't mean there is life, but it means it's an Earth-like planet in terms of potential habitability."

    Eventually astronomers will rack up discoveries of dozens, maybe even hundreds of planets considered habitable, the astronomers said. But this one -- simply called "c" by its discoverers when they talk among themselves -- will go down in cosmic history as No. 1.

    Besides having the right temperature, the new planet is probably full of liquid water, hypothesizes Stephane Udry, the discovery team's lead author and another Geneva astronomer. But that is based on theory about how planets form, not on any evidence, he said.

    "Liquid water is critical to life as we know it," co-author Xavier Delfosse of Grenoble University in France, said in a statement. "Because of its temperature and relative proximity, this planet will most probably be a very important target of the future space missions dedicated to the search for extraterrestrial life. On the treasure map of the Universe, one would be tempted to mark this planet with an X."

    Other astronomers cautioned it's too early to tell whether there is water.

    "You need more work to say it's got water or it doesn't have water," said retired NASA astronomer Steve Maran, press officer for the American Astronomical Society. "You wouldn't send a crew there assuming that when you get there, they'll have enough water to get back."

    The new planet's star system is a mere 20.5 light years away, making Gliese 581 one of the 100 closest stars to Earth. It's so dim, you can't see it without a telescope, but it's somewhere in the constellation Libra, which is low in the southeastern sky during the mid-evening in the Northern Hemisphere.

    Even so, Maran noted, "We don't know how to get to those places in a human lifetime."

    But, oh, the view, if you could. The planet is 14 times closer to the star it orbits. Udry figures the red dwarf star would hang in the sky at a size 20 times larger than our moon. And it's likely, but still not known, that the planet doesn't rotate, so one side would always be sunlit and the other dark.

    Two teams of astronomers, one in Europe and one in the United States, have been racing to be the first to find a planet like 581 c outside the solar system.

    The European team looked at 100 different stars using a tool called HARPS (High Accuracy Radial Velocity for Planetary Searcher) to find this one planet, said Xavier Bonfils of the Lisbon Observatory, one of the co-discoverers.

    Much of the effort to find Earth-like planets has focused on stars like our sun with the challenge being to find a planet the right distance from the star it orbits. About 90 percent of the time, the European telescope focused its search more on sun-like stars, Udry said.

    A few weeks before the European discovery earlier this month, a scientific paper in the journal Astrobiology theorized a few days that red dwarf stars were good candidates.

    "Now we have the possibility to find many more," Bonfils said.

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    Lol I'm going too

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    The midday news over here carried a report about it. I assume it's somewhat of a big deal here becasue I live in Switzerland and Swiss scientists helped make the discovery. They're toting it as "Swiss astronomers make a critical breakthrough in answering one of mankind's biggest questions" or something along those lines

    The news report mentioned the planet being 20 light years or so away and it's all nice thinking about exploring said planet etc etc. but how the heck do they expect to do it within any forseeable time? What would be a reasonable timeframe to expect space travel of that scale anyway? 500 years or more?

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    I would lol rather hard if in 20 years, scientists stop and say "uhh yeah - there's lifeforms on that planet too, and they're pushing it to ."

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    The only question that I want to be answered is when we will start the mission to that place. I have never been so curious to find other races or even aliens

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    We dont have warp speed lol it would take hundreds of years to get there

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    very interesting

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    Cool really usful not

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    Someone not tell this to Bush or Ahmedinejad X(

    ANOTHER one that doesn't belong here....but one that i'll move after it goes over a page.

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    bush and ahmedinejad? gimmie a break, perkam.

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    Nice discovery, but I doubt there's life on that planet.
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    It says it's probably tidally locked, which means one side in baking in the sun and the other side is freezing in eternal night. Reminds me of the last Star Trek film, Remus was the same way.
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    At only 120 trillion miles away...
    First you need an immortal to cut his head, cause you're in for a long wait till we make a spaceship that can travel so far: speed, fuel, food, other crap - plus you could take in consideration the other fact: Is that planet friendly for a human?

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    can we pls not go there.
    i bet that planet is perfectly fine without us going there and ing it up.
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    I'm skeptical. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple years down the road they retract their statements because they learn more about this planet and it turns out to be completely uninhabital.
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    just send ion propulsioned thing and crygenically freeze some people and defrost them when it gets there

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbox997 View Post
    I'm skeptical. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple years down the road they retract their statements because they learn more about this planet and it turns out to be completely uninhabital.
    Based on what? So far there is more evidence suggesting it is inhabitable, your hunch doesn't really make much sense. Although I am unsure what consequences its synchronous rotation with its star could mean.
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    At only 120 trillion miles away, the red dwarf star that this planet circles is one of the 100 closest to Earth.
    Why does it matter? I am confident that when we are able to travel 120 trillion miles in reasonable time, it wouldn't matter if it's 130 or 1300 trillion miles.
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    Wouldn't it be funny if there are life forms on the newly discovered planet sounding a red alert because they've been discovered by the inhabitants of "that" planet and are thinking "hell no!!!" at the thought of us planning a visit in the very distant future?

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    Airplane flight has only been around for little over a century and look how far we've taken that? If we had the same drive and science put towards space travel as we have towards air travel in our atmosphere, we'd be able to achieve a lot more, a lot faster. Where it stands now it hasn't really progressed much since the 70's, and that's sad.
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    On this planet the breaking news is: Some stupid humans from babarian planet earth discovered our planet. Now we need to destroy them before they do.
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    neeto! but me thinks we need to develope propulsion tech further so we can explore space more effectively..

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnJoY View Post
    Airplane flight has only been around for little over a century and look how far we've taken that? If we had the same drive and science put towards space travel as we have towards air travel in our atmosphere, we'd be able to achieve a lot more, a lot faster. Where it stands now it hasn't really progressed much since the 70's, and that's sad.
    Id say it's more a problem of energy. The problem is that we're still using fossil fuels. And propulsion techniques are yet to be improved. And aircraft have air to glide on...so tis a bit different...can't use scram jets in space or anything.

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