Apogee GTX

[Sparky]

I am using a ThermalRight backplate, but I'm starting to get concerned with all the mobo flexing. I did try the flat Apogee GT, but I guess I messed up the mounting because the performance differential between bowed and flat became worse. No, the temps didn't go through the roof, but it certainly seemed like bowing the base is a one-shot deal.

I still maintain that the D-Tek FuZion is a superlative block, but we have a hard fought contest here and I believe that it would be difficult to replicate GTX performance without some serious work on the FuZion.

PhillyBoy, 3.96 Ghz on a Kentsfield with the MCW6500T? I don't think I have heard about those results before! Wow, I must admit I'm impressed, and so I have been proven wrong!

Why do you say the fuzion is superlative? From what I've seen it is pretty much a tossup between it and the apogee GT and the difference between the two could vary just because of the mount.

[IanY]

Why do you say the fuzion is superlative? From what I've seen it is pretty much a tossup between it and the apogee GT and the difference between the two could vary just because of the mount.

I said the FuZion is superlative, meaning that its a really really good block. I didn't say that its superior.. heh. As far as I am concerned, I think the GT is better, and the GTX is even better.

[Sparky]

I said the FuZion is superlative, meaning that its a really really good block. I didn't say that its superior.. heh. As far as I am concerned, I think the GT is better, and the GTX is even better.

OK I was trying to figure out what you meant since I knew you prefer the apogee.

[Cronos]

look at my picture above. That should clear up the flow questions. I took it so there wouldnt be any questions regarding my FLO.

And yeah,1 pump off ~ 8C Its my dayam FC blocks. They suck unless you have a lot of flow.

If your gonna run NB.SB blocks, as well as FC cards on SLI. IWAKI or dual DDC-2 FTW... thats all i need to say.

Your temps are too good for such low flow 0.1 -0.2 GPM.

The only explanation is that not working pump has very, i say really very high resistance. In this case, you will not see much difference if you remove the second pump and just use one.

[Mekrel]

Waiting for Scotts tests

The ones where he outlines his test methodology and can actually draw C/W from them (well Bill thinks he may be able to).

[NaeKuh]

Your temps are too good for such low flow 0.1 -0.2 GPM.

The only explanation is that not working pump has very, i say really very high resistance. In this case, you will not see much difference if you remove the second pump and just use one.

mmmmm... when i get a chance i'll screnie it.

And im talking about LOAD temps, not idle incase your wondering.

[Cronos]

And, by the way, from the construction of Apogee GT/GTX we can deduce that it should be more effective at low flow rate than D-Tek.

[NaeKuh]

And, by the way, from the construction of Apogee GT/GTX we can deduce that it should be more effective at low flow rate than D-Tek.

how so? the channels are spread wider, and not close. This allows more coolant time in the chamber, this in turn would cause the heat of the water inside the chamber to increase more then the gt....

Ummm unless im missing something in the block design of the GTX not being simular then the GT. I dont see how this can be true.

Explain please. i like learning new info.

[IanY]

If anything, the D-Tek is less restrictive, so it should do better with a weaker pump.

[thunderstruck!]

Thanks for the screens NeaKuH, they're very informative! Looking forward to Scott's tests as well.

[nikhsub1]

Bowed GTX in the test bed as I type this... with any luck I'll get one mount done today.

[Bun-Bun]

Bowed GTX in the test bed as I type this... with any luck I'll get one mount done today.

I can't wait for you results. Eliminate all of this bias and get some real answers.

[NaeKuh]

no im acutally waiting for nikhsibs testing as well even tho i have this block. I told you guys at start i had no real way to conducting a through test. Also my test platform is sqewed with the extra blocks added.

My results arent absolutely mind you. I never said they were. But from just what im seeing, i can predict how nikhsubs will come out. And as much as you guys may screen and deny it, i think iany was pretty close on his comment and got flamed.


If it means anything to you iany, i got the same flame when regarding 2 pumps on a storm vs apogee on single pump and multi pump. But we clearly saw who won. :P

But as i said, please only use my results as a direction pointer, not as an absolute. I never intended it to be that way from the beginning.

[serialk11r]

no im acutally waiting for nikhsibs testing as well even tho i have this block. I told you guys at start i had no real way to conducting a through test. Also my test platform is sqewed with the extra blocks added.

My results arent absolutely mind you. I never said they were. But from just what im seeing, i can predict how nikhsubs will come out. And as much as you guys may screen and deny it, i think iany was pretty close on his comment and got flamed.


If it means anything to you iany, i got the same flame when regarding 2 pumps on a storm vs apogee on single pump and multi pump. But we clearly saw who won. :P

But as i said, please only use my results as a direction pointer, not as an absolute. I never intended it to be that way from the beginning.

Well I think your test platform is not screwed. Why? It reflects how that block will affect temps of the CPU and overall performance. Just because you don't have fancy equipment doesn't mean you can't come to a conclusion that you can make decisions based upon.

[IanY]

And as much as you guys may screen and deny it, i think iany was pretty close on his comment and got flamed.

If it means anything to you iany, i got the same flame when regarding 2 pumps on a storm vs apogee on single pump and multi pump. But we clearly saw who won. :P

And the sad part is that I don't set off wanting to participate in any "debate," much less "win" anything.

I share out of enthusiasm. Unfortunately, my enthusiasm has gotten squashed more often than not, like an abused wife who prepared dinner gets slapped across the face by an abusive drunk of a husband who arrives home late.

Thus, there goes the whole fun and enthusiasm. One tends to quickly lose interest. Anyway, the whole world awaits Nikhsub1's haloed tests. Therefore, anything that you contribute prior to Nikhsub1's test is just asanine, and anything you say after that test is just superfluous lol

The irony of it all is that I am supposed to be the ardent fanboy, and here we have masses eagerly awaiting the opportunity to twist and turn and pervert any situation to their advantage.

You and I know the truth, and only the truth will set one free.

[serialk11r]

And the sad part is that I don't set off wanting to participate in any "debate," much less "win" anything.

I share out of enthusiasm. Unfortunately, my enthusiasm has gotten squashed more often than not, like an abused wife who prepared dinner gets slapped across the face by an abusive drunk of a husband who arrives home late.

Thus, there goes the whole fun and enthusiasm. One tends to quickly lose interest. Anyway, the whole world awaits Nikhsub1's haloed tests. Therefore, anything that you contribute prior to Nikhsub1's test is just asanine, and anything you say after that test is just superfluous lol

The irony of it all is that I am supposed to be the ardent fanboy, and here we have masses eagerly awaiting the opportunity to twist and turn and pervert any situation to their advantage.

You and I know the truth, and only the truth will set one free.

Oh you forgot Philly Boy!

[Mekrel]

And the sad part is that I don't set off wanting to participate in any "debate," much less "win" anything.

I share out of enthusiasm. Unfortunately, my enthusiasm has gotten squashed more often than not, like an abused wife who prepared dinner gets slapped across the face by an abusive drunk of a husband who arrives home late.

Thus, there goes the whole fun and enthusiasm. One tends to quickly lose interest. Anyway, the whole world awaits Nikhsub1's haloed tests. Therefore, anything that you contribute prior to Nikhsub1's test is just asanine, and anything you say after that test is just superfluous lol

The irony of it all is that I am supposed to be the ardent fanboy, and here we have masses eagerly awaiting the opportunity to twist and turn and pervert any situation to their advantage.

You and I know the truth, and only the truth will set one free.

I'm not waiting to twist anything. I'm just waiting for a controlled test of the current top end blocks on the market.

Controlled being done by an unbias group, with serveral mounts whilst taking care that the only factor controlling changes in temperatures are the blocks themselves.

I got to admit though, I love this thread because one person has admited to not knowing something that he stated he did in the past. That for me confirms something I've known for a while.

[IanY]

I'm not waiting to twist anything. I'm just waiting for a controlled test of the current top end blocks on the market.

Controlled being done by an unbias group, with serveral mounts whilst taking care that the only factor controlling changes in temperatures are the blocks themselves.

I got to admit though, I love this thread because one person has admited to not knowing something that he stated he did in the past. That for me confirms something I've known for a while.

And thus, there goes you insinuation that any other source other than the ones you ferverent refer to are, by fiat, ipso facto, under your definition, necessarily biased and prejudiced ?

And that by the same decree, anyone who does not devote his kitchen sink, or his basement sink to the art of water block changing therefore does not possess a controlled environment ?

How would you know how many times Naekuh mounted his block when he provided results? Did he not tell you that, through ownership, he has extensively tested both the D-Tek FuZion and the Apogee GT ?

And yet, you pick to dispute and discredit his observations ?

BTW, I'm still searching without success for the haloed XS stone tablets, so appropriate in the context of this holy weekend.

[serialk11r]

I'm not waiting to twist anything. I'm just waiting for a controlled test of the current top end blocks on the market.

Controlled being done by an unbias group, with serveral mounts whilst taking care that the only factor controlling changes in temperatures are the blocks themselves.

I got to admit though, I love this thread because one person has admited to not knowing something that he stated he did in the past. That for me confirms something I've known for a while.

Hold on a second, controlled tests are rarely done here. h2ofragmonger's test on the fuzion is one of the ONLY tests I can call controlled. He used a heatsource, and special equipment, and got his hard data, including pressure drop, etc.
So why should you trust a test that says block A is better than block B just because the numbers were taken with an expensive thermometer, more than you would trust another test that says block A is better than block B simply because it got me lower temps?

[nikhsub1]

Guys I think ya'll need to just take a deep breath here. My testing is not the end all be all. I will say that I am VERY meticulous and repetitive to the point of boredom however.

[Mekrel]

Hold on a second, controlled tests are rarely done here. h2ofragmonger's test on the fuzion is one of the ONLY tests I can call controlled. He used a heatsource, and special equipment, and got his hard data, including pressure drop, etc.
So why should you trust a test that says block A is better than block B just because the numbers were taken with an expensive thermometer, more than you would trust another test that says block A is better than block B simply because it got me lower temps?

Didn't say there were done around here often, maybe that's the problem.

So you believe, mounting a block maybe once or twice (probably to check the contact) and posting a screenshot of TAT/Coretemp is a great way to test what blocks perform to what degree?

Who said anything about having an expensive thermometer? If you've read Scotts thread about the RD-30 being run at different voltages you will have already seen the comments on the measuring gear he is using.

So you're telling me you will happily trust a set of tests carried out with no methodology, fair test statement where you identify possible causes of abnomoly results over one which has taken all care to minimise all of the above?

[SiGfever]

I thought this was supposed to be a place to share ideas and a passion for what we call watercooling?

[Mekrel]

And thus, there goes you insinuation that any other source other than the ones you ferverent refer to are, by fiat, ipso facto, under your definition, necessarily biased and prejudiced ?

And that by the same decree, anyone who does not devote his kitchen sink, or his basement sink to the art of water block changing therefore does not possess a controlled environment ?

How would you know how many times Naekuh mounted his block when he provided results? Did he not tell you that, through ownership, he has extensively tested both the D-Tek FuZion and the Apogee GT ?

And yet, you pick to dispute and discredit his observations ?

BTW, I'm still searching without success for the haloed XS stone tablets, so appropriate in the context of this holy weekend.

Controlled enviroment, is a controlled enviroment. You control the factors which have an affect on the outcome of the tests, through out all tests then you're on the right track.

Reading his posts, he doesn't even post screenshots of the DTEK results. So he didn't even mount them one after another. Seems like he whacked in the GTX and compared to a few hours earlier or the day before / or when ever he had the DTEK running.

Not calling him a liar or untrust worthy but I will take results from an average of mounts on a set bed over something like that. You're telling me you wouldn't?

Scott has outlined his test precedure, via asking for input from those with knowledge on anything he should do differently.

[Mekrel]

Guys I think ya'll need to just take a deep breath here. My testing is not the end all be all. I will say that I am VERY meticulous and repetitive to the point of boredom however.

Don't worry I'm calm , I drink tea

I personally like these discussions, I'm just confused as to wether these guys would trust these results over Scotts.

If Naekuh has taken steps to create as accurate results as possible then he is more than welcome to explain, I would like to see them.

[sonofander]

you guys are stressing me out...