Apogee GTX

[NaeKuh]

okey, i have some aweful news for you guys.

As i was running Orthos last night, my board finally decided to kick the bucket.


So i cant get an accurate screenie, because my board wont boot up into windows anymore.

Im fairly sure its the board finally crapping out. Anyhow, i'll see if i can somehow rebuild the OS, or boot her into safe mode, and try to do a thermal load on both cores with a screenie.

But as for now, with the settings above, the last coretemp i took was roughly 41C with a regular apogee loaded, and it was around 39C with the d-tek if i last remember it.



Blah... heres crossing my fingers, and cursing this dayam AR revision. Thank god i have an A1 waiting for on my desk. But stupid ups says 4/4 for my tubes and block to arrive

Anyhow, lemme see if i can work some magic on the board and try to bring it back to life long enough for a quick thermal load.


okey after trying to debug my board for the past i dun know, 1hour and half? im out of time and need to goto work. :P

I managed to get it booted again, by doing a cmos reset, and i took it back to its funky board settings. 3.4ghz see specs above.

The reason why i think its my board is because b4 i flashed her, she was doing orthos @ 3.6ghz perfectly, for over 11 hours. I flashed my board on haste.


LAST UPDATE: Until im back from work :P
Anyhow, she wont do orthos more then 20min. Something on my board causes her to just lock up. As i have said, i have a A1 waiting to get swaped. Just no GTX block to mount. Since i am going to bow it, i cant afford mounting the spare in right now, and wait on the GTX. Bow mounting i heard can be a serious PITA.

a Bit of irony, and im sure Gabe will have a cow. Im going to use a thermaltake BT backplate to help mount my GTX. ahahaha.. who would of thought i would use a thermaltake product on my waterloop :P i guess the sky did fall.

Anyhow the 15 min orthos i was able to load pulled off a 40C max temp on both cores, at 65F ambient intake temp /w a regular apogee. Messured on my battery thermo in the front intake. I have another side intake and i should take a messurement of that since its dictates my second radiator.

Voltage on core is about 1.3625V currently. I wish i could do a 30 min orthos, but you guys will have to be happy with 15 min, until someone with a full work bench can finish the apogeeGTX review.



TO: IanY

Is there a mounting orentation required on the GTX for better performance? i cant see how having water travel down vs sideways would bring any beneifit in performance. I know you have th match the diamond pins when reassembling the block, but do you need to stick with a particular mounting orientation on the GTX?

[Philly_Boy]

I got my GTX just two days after I received that new Swifty TEC block the MCW6500-T....so I had the rig all prepped for the TEC block. The TEC block is quite nice. With my Meanwell SP320-13.5 powering it I am hitting -9c idle measured in BIOS and like 13-15c on TAT with my E6300 cranked up to 3.5ghz at 1.6vcore. I had to seperate the CPU from the GPU loop as the TEC dumps a @$$ load of heat into the loop. Water temps rising to 32c++ under load. With seperate loops the water temps are down to like 27C at load...about 5c above room ambient...like I like them...

Anyway...I'll be switching that block out for the Apogee GTX so I might have a few informal results for just the GTX and in a few weeks I'll be publishing the formal results of the GTX vs the GT vs the Storm vs the Fuzion vs who ever else sends me a CPU block to add to the fray!

[ranker]

I got my GTX just two days after I received that new Swifty TEC block the MCW6500-T....so I had the rig all prepped for the TEC block. The TEC block is quite nice. With my Meanwell SP320-13.5 powering it I am hitting -9c idle measured in BIOS and like 13-15c on TAT with my E6300 cranked up to 3.5ghz at 1.6vcore. I had to seperate the CPU from the GPU loop as the TEC dumps a @$$ load of heat into the loop. Water temps rising to 32c++ under load. With seperate loops the water temps are down to like 27C at load...about 5c above room ambient...like I like them...

Anyway...I'll be switching that block out for the Apogee GTX so I might have a few informal results for just the GTX and in a few weeks I'll be publishing the formal results of the GTX vs the GT vs the Storm vs the Fuzion vs who ever else sends me a CPU block to add to the fray!

Out of curiosity, how hard is it to go from Watercooling to TEC? How much would the step up take and what parts usually need to be added or redone?

[serialk11r]

Out of curiosity, how hard is it to go from Watercooling to TEC? How much would the step up take and what parts usually need to be added or redone?

Insulation, PSU, a lot of radiatorage, coldplate (unless the block comes with one), and to top it off, ginormous power consumption.
Oh and Philly Boy, are you going to try out that block w/o the TEC?

[[XC] DragonOrta]

My GTX arrived today... I have the Apogee GT on the testbed now, I have 2 mounts done with the bowed base. I had to scrap the MCW6002 test for now, SOMETHING is not right with the mounts. My CPU imprint is on even close to center... i have tried every orientation too - my block is NOT stepped. Has ANYONE run an MCW600x on 775? If so what orientation? Got pics?

I had an MCW6002 with a non-stepped base running on my P5W DH for a bit. I took it off, as I just got an Apogee GT in the mail today, and the thermal paste hardly looked like it spread at all. I'm using MX-1, which I've read requires a larger application than anything Arctic Silver puts out, so that could also be the reason, but I was getting awful temps. I could only boot into windows for 20 minutes at a time.

I'll give the MCW6002 a try on my Biostar 965PT tomorrow sometime and see if it mounts cleanly or not. I mounted it on the P5W DH with the outlet in the top left corner and the longer arms of the mounting plate to the right.

[Philly_Boy]

Out of curiosity, how hard is it to go from Watercooling to TEC? How much would the step up take and what parts usually need to be added or redone?

First you'll need to be sure your exiting loop is very solid...triple 120mm rad...push/pull fans...higher end pump...etc. You'll also need to invest in a seperate PSU to power the TEC...Meanwell is a popular brand...they cost about $120US plus shipping.

I am using the loop as stated in my sig...just for the MCW6500-T plus two small fairly unrestrictive blocks on the NB and SB. With six 89cfm fans in push/pull at 12v my idle water temps are hovering at 24c and that goes up to 26-27c under any kind of load. I also had to condensation proof my mother board. Guides can be found in the Phase Change section as stickies.

I am getting nice temps...but haven't really begun to see how that benefits my overclock. I also have a seperate loop where I have two TEC driven blocks on my 8800GTX's. In ambient 22c room air (no cold air induction...) I am getting 20c idle at stock 8800 clocks and 25c with them overclocked to 681/1070.

Waiting for a cold night so I can stick both rads in my cold air induction system that blows 4-5c air over the rads ducted in from the outside. I'll be volt modding my mobo next as well as the 8800's to make a run at the first page of the ORB in 3D Mark 05/06. I think 3.6 or 3.7ghz is possible from my outstanding little E6300 with this set up...and 06 runs of 22,000 should also be doable.

Insulation, PSU, a lot of radiatorage, coldplate (unless the block comes with one), and to top it off, ginormous power consumption.
Oh and Philly Boy, are you going to try out that block w/o the TEC?

No, I will keep the 6500-T as a TEC set up. The GPU blocks that run the 226 watt TECs on the 8800GTX's are frankensteined MCW60 tops with Apogee GT bases with the larger o-ring to bow the base. I chose the Apogee GT base because it is flat (no bump out like the MCW60) and the same size as the TEC and the cold plates. BTW...my power bill only rose like $5 for running the TEC's 24/7 for 7 days straight to burn them in. I'll gladly pay that for better performance. The myth of huge power consumption with TEC's is just that...a myth...

[serialk11r]

Interesting... You're getting those results with a GTX240 rad? Very interesting...
And the power consumption issue, I still don't like inefficient things but wow those are some pretty good results. lol but for the people with tons of computers crunching the power issue becomes a problem why using a 200W 1/5hp phase system is like off limits (and your TECs are using how much?).
Have you thought of putting a bigger rad on the GPU loop?

[nikhsub1]

BTW...my power bill only rose like $5 for running the TEC's 24/7 for 7 days straight to burn them in. I'll gladly pay that for better performance. The myth of huge power consumption with TEC's is just that...a myth...

Orly? Be glad you don't live in southern California. I pay ~.18 per Kwh. My office is a studio apartment, maybe 600 sq feet. I have no AC, no kitchen, no heaters NOTHING but lights and 2 computers. $100/month electric bill. With a TEC i guarantee you that would double to $200/month.

[serialk11r]

Orly? Be glad you don't live in southern California. I pay ~.18 per Kwh. My office is a studio apartment, maybe 600 sq feet. I have no AC, no kitchen, no heaters NOTHING but lights and 2 computers. $100/month electric bill. With a TEC i guarantee you that would double to $200/month.

Take a look, its not just 1 TEC, its THREE!!!! 3 226/320 TECs... I wonder what impact 960W would have on your power bill (and some people are complaining about running a 1/5hp compressor on their CPU 24/7)

[NaeKuh]

Orly? Be glad you don't live in southern California. I pay ~.18 per Kwh. My office is a studio apartment, maybe 600 sq feet. I have no AC, no kitchen, no heaters NOTHING but lights and 2 computers. $100/month electric bill. With a TEC i guarantee you that would double to $200/month.

actually i can vouch for it. I noticed a hugh increase in my elec. bill. I also live in cali. It got bad enough to require me to pull them off. And i was seeing increases in the high double digit.

GAH i miss TEC's. Nothing beats watching your friends go WTF!?!?!? when they see your CPU idling in sub degree's Well maybe sex.. and beer... and well a lot of things, but you get my point!.

Anyhow i should get my GTX block tommarrow as well. I will bow my setup, with a thermaltake bt backplate. I cant wait, because my A1 revision board has been looking at me funny since friday of last week. After its all setup, then its off to FEDEX to send back my craptastic AR board.


Rest in Piece you POS!!!!

[ranker]

actually i can vouch for it. I noticed a hugh increase in my elec. bill. I also live in cali. It got bad enough to require me to pull them off. And i was seeing increases in the high double digit.

GAH i miss TEC's. Nothing beats watching your friends go WTF!?!?!? when they see your CPU idling in sub degree's Well maybe sex.. and beer... and well a lot of things, but you get my point!.

Anyhow i should get my GTX block tommarrow as well. I will bow my setup, with a thermaltake bt backplate. I cant wait, because my A1 revision board has been looking at me funny since friday of last week. After its all setup, then its off to FEDEX to send back my craptastic AR board.


Rest in Piece you POS!!!!

Considering I live in the O.C. in Southern California, I guess it'll be a no go for me then just due to power consumption costs alone.

[theteamaqua]

man i am getting new CPU block ... cant decide between the GTX or the Swiftech TEC for conroe 775 ... h... sign]

btw i see many people quaote iany , but cant find his post b4 post #200 .. but there r people quote him on posts say #50. what gives?

btw hows the insulation of the water block?? do i need to do anything?? or does the water block has it all?

[theteamaqua]

guys im deciding between Apogee GTX , Apogee GT , or Aqua Mp-05 PRO or Aqua MP-05 SP

from vr zone it seems like that MP 05 PRO is slightly better than GT, but i wanna see how GTX vs MP-05 SP

[Philly_Boy]

Orly? Be glad you don't live in southern California. I pay ~.18 per Kwh. My office is a studio apartment, maybe 600 sq feet. I have no AC, no kitchen, no heaters NOTHING but lights and 2 computers. $100/month electric bill. With a TEC i guarantee you that would double to $200/month.

Sorry to hear that...I think we pay like 0.04525/kw hr. My old studio apt had ac, electric heat electric stove and my single stage running 24/7 and the bill was never more than $92 in the dead heat of summer running the ac at max 24/7. Most of the time it averaged around $45.

[NaeKuh]

Sorry to hear that...I think we pay like 0.04525/kw hr. My old studio apt had ac, electric heat electric stove and my single stage running 24/7 and the bill was never more than $92 in the dead heat of summer running the ac at max 24/7. Most of the time it averaged around $45.

eyehaychoo!!!

*looking at grumbling jealousy*

Anyhow waiting patiently today for UPS to come. Do you guys want pics of the block? or is enough spamed thoughout the web?

[serialk11r]

Sorry to hear that...I think we pay like 0.04525/kw hr. My old studio apt had ac, electric heat electric stove and my single stage running 24/7 and the bill was never more than $92 in the dead heat of summer running the ac at max 24/7. Most of the time it averaged around $45.

You should delete this post, the DC guys are gonna start running after you!

[NaeKuh]

okey so i got my block right now as we speak. UPS man finally came.


Last calls on pictures. I'll give ya until 1:30pm PST to decide. After that im going to be away for about 5-6 hours reasembling my loop.

[serialk11r]

PICS!!!!! we need pics lol.

[NaeKuh]

I just got back from a business trip and I have discovered that things developed while I was away from this forum.

I understand that I have been accused of being a Swiftech fanboy. I categorically deny any direct or indirect association with Swiftech and my brand loyalty is a personal choice based on a history of product usage. Other than that, its strictly personal and really should be none of anyone's concern. Even if I were a stockholder, and I'm not, I believe that its not within anyone's purview to pass judgment.

Having atttracted enough attention, and having been previously accused, convicted and (I believe unfairly)charged with personal attacks when defending the honor and integrity of an existing forum XIP, I think I have had enough of the attacks. In any event, verbal volleyball isn't my idea of fun.

I will now cease from discussing Swiftech equipment, especially anything to do with an Apogee GT or GTX.

Thanks to all.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~ i personally have always valued your imput. Even tho i dont have many posts, ive been consistantly reading these forums, and learning, having you avoid one whole catigory of brand, would be a very big loss.


Anyhow the moment you guys all been waiting for!


Package:


Block thiness:


Inside the TOP: i know you guys been waiting for this:


Close up of the pins:


This does look sexy, exactly what gabe wanted:



Ummm those of you that are evga 680i owners. You seriously need to redue the tim on the NB. Look at mine!?!?!



Taking last min picture request!! i cant wait anymore on my mobo swap. I'll give ya to 2:30. Still need to mount my SB correctly.


GABE: i have one problem with this block so far. The mounting screws arent long enough if your using a backplate with padding. ~ 1/4 of an inch is required on the back for a typical backplate + neoprene padding. I think screws about 1/2 an inch longer would help out a lot for people wanting to mount this block with a backplate.

EDIT: 2 okey u guys. im going to rebuild now. I'll talk to you guys again when she's back up. Other then the short screws, there seems to be nothing wrong with block. It looks absolutely wonderful. I already bowed the block, added the TT backplate, and im almost ready to mount.

The SB is annoying the crap out of me tho....

[ziddey]

I guess it's a little too late to ask for pics of this, but if you ever (or hopefully someone else who assembles this block soon) could take pics of the underside of the top after the barbs are put in, that'd be great. It doesn't look like it'd be a big deal though. I have a problem with the apogee regular in that the delrin top is curved to direct water in a certain pattern. However, with the barbs screwed all the way in, it sticks out beyond the curve of the delrin and disrupts proper flow in the block itself.

[SiGfever]

I personally think that the Apogee GTX is a sharp looking block. As someone mentioned it reminds me of an Edelbrock valve cover.

[theteamaqua]

just bought it from petras
i have :
T line > D5 > Black ICE GT 360 RAD > GTX > T line

well i dont have any otehr water block to compare it to... so ....


here r half resolution pix:




here r full:
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o.../DSC000891.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o.../DSC000901.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o.../DSC000911.jpg

[phelan1777]

just bought it from petras
i have :
T line > D5 > Black ICE GT 360 RAD > GTX > T line
well i dont have any otehr water block to compare it to... so ....
here r half resolution pix:

Are those EVGA cards? If so, you want to swap my green PCB for your black PCB?

My rig doesn't look right with miss matched cards and I don't think I am the only one

[theteamaqua]

BFG + EVGA works flawsly i did scored 16000 on 3dmark06 ... so yeah they performed just fine

[phelan1777]

BFG + EVGA works flawsly

Wich one is the EVGA?