Apogee GTX

[Fossil]

I am not going to argue regarding the plating mechanism and how well it works/last..I have seen several examples from members were the plating did not last...it look awful the corrison

I don't believe there are example of failed plating posted here, but perhaps I missed them. There are many examples of corrosion from anodized aluminium - but anyone who has owned a motorcycle will be well aware that anodizing doesn't last very long when exposed to water.

[NysoO]

I don't believe there are example of failed plating posted here, but perhaps I missed them. There are many examples of corrosion from anodized aluminium - but anyone who has owned a motorcycle will be well aware that anodizing doesn't last very long when exposed to water.

You can't compare the anodized alu from a motorcycle to a waterblock. The water that the motorcycle alu will face is acid and often salty. This, of course helps the water to destroy the anodize.

In a watercooled loop you also have these additives that hopefully will stop corrosion and such.

[SiGfever]

@Gabe,

People have become so jaded towards aluminum from past low quality plating down by some companies. Technology and the willingness of a company to go the extra cost and steps to ensure that the plating is done correctly is obviously what your company is about. It will take the nay-sayers a good while to finally put down their "I won't buy anything with aluminum in it" signs and look at the actual process involved with todays Military spec plating.

I think that the block looks great and the mounting hardware along with the new barbs are a definite winner. I just ordered an MCW60 for my video card because the mounting of my old Maze4GPU Acetal is a problem affecting the proper mounting of my MCW30.

Someone mentioned that the "grooves" serve no purpose other than bling. Cooling of a system is the added effects of the different resources used in same. Every item adds up to the total cooling package. So depening on the temperature of the air and the cfm blown through the channels heat transfer will take effect. Now there is an idea, a fan made to mount over the blocks mounting bolts to blow air directly on the block and area surrounding it. I do not know if the performance gain would be worth the extra investment but it never hurts to add a little extra cooling to the motherboard that was lost by switching from an air cooled CPU. Just a thought.

Keep up the great work and do not let a few dictate for the many. With a five year warranty you have obviously put your money where your mouth is.

[Bun-Bun]

It will take the nay-sayers a good while to finally put down their "I won't buy anything with aluminum in it" signs and look at the actual process involved with todays Military spec plating.

Even military spec plating can leave the factory with defects. No QC is perfect.

[calvin]

Description states optional hold down available for 754/939/940. My question is where? Even Swiftech's store doesn't seem to carry it.

[Budwise]

Even military spec plating can leave the factory with defects. No QC is perfect.

LOL, anyone remember the first Apogee release? It came with copper shavings free of charge . Yea, QC isnt always perfect...

[serialk11r]

Well what gets the plating to come off? Friction. Where will there be friction in parts touching the water?
If theres nickel coming off already, I'd just send it back to them, duh.

[Bun-Bun]

Well what gets the plating to come off? Friction. Where will there be friction in parts touching the water?
If theres nickel coming off already, I'd just send it back to them, duh.

It could be a defect not visible to the naked eye.

[serialk11r]

It could be a defect not visible to the naked eye.

Well GTX owners will have to hope that swiftech put careful scrutiny on everything!

[SiGfever]

Well GTX owners will have to hope that swiftech put careful scrutiny on everything!

With a five year warranty I would say that they are pretty darn sure.

[serialk11r]

With a five year warranty I would say that they are pretty darn sure.

Well SOME people don't seem to believe that...

[Bun-Bun]

With a five year warranty I would say that they are pretty darn sure.

All that means is that only 5% will fail instead of 10% (made up numbers). There will still be defects.

[Philly_Boy]

All that means is that only 5% will fail instead of 10% (made up numbers). There will still be defects.

How about 0.1%?? That's a typical out-of-the-box fail rate with good QC. I was a member of a QC team a few years ago and that was what we found to be acceptable...one in one thousand fail rate.

[Anemone]

The magic point I think is that for maybe 1-2C you'd take a chance that something was slowly degrading in your rig, such that you might have a catastrophic failure and never know it. It's a small chance, probably very small given all that's gone into it, but it is there. And a warranty is only going to replace that $70 block, not the 000's of $ in other items that might go poof in the night...

I like the block and have many Swiftech products over the years, so this is not a company fault. It's just what you are comfortable with for risk.

Kinda funny though how many pages we can argue over 0-2C improvements but that's us!

[sacha35]

Very very nice block

[Bun-Bun]

How about 0.1%?? That's a typical out-of-the-box fail rate with good QC. I was a member of a QC team a few years ago and that was what we found to be acceptable...one in one thousand fail rate.

That's why I said they were made up numbers. It totally depends on the manufacturing process and a lot of other things. For the stuff I have been designing recently there is a 1 PPM acceptable failure... I tell you a lot of thought has to go into that.

The chances are small but they are there none the less.

BTW I minored in statistics in manufacturing/QC

[serialk11r]

Bun-Bun, are you saying the Apogee GTX has a chance of failure but other blocks don't? What if one day something went wrong and a block was screwed while milling, and it leaked on you after a few days?

[Mekrel]

My Coolant = water.

I don't have any corrosion protection so my rule is no aluminium. Nice block and I'm sure it performs well. Well enough for me to chose it over a non mixed metal block? Nope, fraid not.

Hope those who buy it are happy with their purchase but not for me, rather safe than sorry.

[TReese]

I am pretty sure this corrosion deal is being completely blown out of proportion for this block. I am confident Gabe is not going to release a product that will fail and ruin are systems. There is a five-year warranty to top it all off. The only reason I didn't order this block is because I am cheap.

[ign0]

well, I believe plating or anodize is good enough for a cpu block. defects happen. but generally the defects that you found on the block on your hands will be more likely from inaccurate process rather than plating. that makes plating a rationally small problem.

consider this, if the plate fails and corrosion happens, it can still be plated again. but if the block is not accurately machined. it often has huge impact on the cooling result and mostly can not be fixed.

say I'm using whole copper block and what do I get, I can sand it from time to time. I don't think it's big gain..

any way, I hope swiftech to change their mind and make some brass version. water cooling is becoming more and more customer oriented. maybe it's not just safe or performance wise. people just want it that way, as the same people just want their pc water-cooled. deal with them. even beautiful aqua plex blocks has copper option.

[serialk11r]

you mean like when they released this?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=136333&page=2

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and the company has to be around 5 years to honor that warranty

andyc

Wait a minute, are you saying brass corrodes itself?????

[STEvil]

you missed that he said aluminum.

[serialk11r]

what are you talking about? has nothing to do with brass. has to do with something that was supposed to protect AL from corrosion, but it didn't and there's the results along with the company that designed it.

andyc

No, your post in the other thread, and according to that thing, it seems that zinc and copper corrode each other (which they don't, brass hello!)

[serialk11r]

they most certainly do in the presence of a electrolyte (common water as it's found on planet earth), more so than AL and copper. Hello, alloys are one thing raw metals another.

man,

andyc

Hey what happened to brass tops? [choke choke cough]

[serialk11r]

err, gimmie a break and get half a clue would ya

andyc

Whatever happened to people complaining about brass tops? Seriously, I thought brass tops were supposed to be good, and now this is being shoved in my face?