!!!The Ultimate K8L Thread 2007 & Beyond!!!

[informal]

So what did you show me exactly?And where is the circled image i requested from you?
AMD just doubled all the resources you showed in that diagram...
I am still awaiting for you to point out the RevF second FPU unit!Oh wait,it is not there...Doh
So much for getting ownd

edit:Just for you,i quote once again the good 'ol Dirk M. :

With the Hound core, 1 floating point arithmetic pipe is added to the side of the existing floating point arithmetic pipe already.

[informal]

Brent i am getting tired of your personal attacks.It's clear you don't understand what you are trying to say.Look at chip arch. floorplan and everything will be clear to you.
They reorganized the scheduler and doubled the resources from there on.Decoders stayed as they were.
And you want to call Dirk Meyer from AMD the clueless man?Ok suit yourself.
I'm not gonna waste my time any more with you.

[informal]

SO Hans De Vries version i linked after is not good enough for you??
Cmon ,that si a lame excuse to get out without admitting you were wrong...
Yeah old die plots ...Whatever

Here:http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=29890 Charlie talks about K10 and mobile version of it(which lacks the second FPU unit since it's not needed in the mobile sector)

[[XC] Teroedni]

And here is a MUCH better die shot from and Anandtech article less than a week old.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2939&p=2

Now, where is that extra FPU per core?

You mean you cant see it?
I can clearly see that the Fpu is doubled

[informal]

Brent,can you see this floorplan?
http://www.chip-architect.com/news/K8L_floorplan.jpg

Now compare it to your AT link.
Tip:The difference is in rotation of the core.You will (i hope at least) notice the parts which Mr. De Vreis highlighted for us so conviniently .

[informal]

Oh i give up.I can't waste any more time with you on this.Believe what you will(who says AMD needed to double the number of decoders??? You want to say you know more than Hans De Vreis when CPUs come to question?)
Feel free to email him and ask him the same question.I really want to know what will he tell you

[SEA]

Guys, stop slashing the water.

We already discussed everything.

AMD did NOT add more FP processing units (this is not about store or loads), but
They widened them the way to crunch 1 SSE128 in EACH FP Unit at once. That is 2x SSE128 at once.
Also you miss the thing that those units can perform 2xSSE64 EACH AT ONCE.
That means the doubled throughput of SSE64.

So it is true about doubling SSE performance, and it is true that they did not add additional SSE FP units

[Shintai]

Informal..it only contains 2...

Alot of the pictures you show also comes from the same place that invented the 4th decoder on 65nm K8. Tho it was a microcode storage or something. And diagrams from AMD dont show any extra FPU. All FPU enhancement is basicly 128bit SSE.

[informal]

As for the quote: Dirk Meyer said it in pcwatch interview(http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2.../kaigai273.htm)

And here is email of Hans : //hansdevries@chip-architect.com
It can be found at http://www.chip-architect.com/

[informal]

You DO realize that quote is almost a year old? Look at the wepage date. May of last year.

Yeah,they canceled THAT design and did the new one .Ohhh

[SEA]

It really does not matter how they doubled FP units - added 2 (4 x 64) or widened (2 x 128) - it is same result.

SSE128 is 4 packed single precision numbers (XMM registers).
K8 did 4 such at once.
K10 will do 8 single-fp.

[informal]

Brent you just email Hans first and i will have no problem admitting being wrong if that's the way things turn out to be.

[informal]

Ok,done .

Edit: i saw you made a small mistake in your mail concerning the authorship of the pc watch article.Hope you correct it.Tnx for CCing me.

[Turtle 1]

Brent - yes you do personal attacks, try bringing facts without the "see how stupid you are" part - it might help a bit

Also doubling FP execution pipeline to 128 bit can result in performance increasing comparable to adding another 64bit fpu

Brent, Informal
I don't think it is that important how you call it, amd claims 80% improvement of FP units performance, I think that counts more that your speculations

You do . Well in the jast 5 months Brent has had it right a lot more than you have.

You trust what AMD says after all the lies of the last few months. Thats sad . I feel Brent is relieing on his own knowledge and what AMD has shown us over the last six months. Brent will by K10 if its all that. But I bet he takes a hard look at Penryn first.

[w0mbat]

Ok, some 3DMark CPU-Scores are "showning up". I have no confirmation and they look a bit too good. But i will post them anyway, even i knwo that the next 10 postings everyone will flame on me...

K10 Dualcores @ QuadFX (4x4) @ 2,3GHz
3DMark06 CPU-Score 7933 Points

[w0mbat]

It was not a faked screen, but you will see...

[Shintai]

It was not a faked screen, but you will see...

Yes and photoshop is a nonexistant product aswell. Too many people "want" to see and make something up in these times. Lets see some official numbers shall we?

Also K10 dualcores in a 4x4? Better be the joke. Since those Dualcores will some atleast a quarter after the quadcores if even this year. And why would the extreme edition not be quadcores. AMD will focus 100% on the serverside first.

So please...we had enough fakes from you and others already.

[w0mbat]

Yes and photoshop is a nonexistant product aswell. Too many people "want" to see and make something up in these times. Lets see some official numbers shall we?

Also K10 dualcores in a 4x4? Better be the joke. Since those Dualcores will some atleast a quarter after the quadcores if even this year. And why would the extreme edition not be quadcores. AMD will focus 100% on the serverside first.

So please...we had enough fakes from you and others already.

You have more infos than i? Ok, then show them! Its funny, everyone is crying fake and lie, just because they dont knwo

[incurable]

K10 Dualcores @ QuadFX (4x4) @ 2,3GHz
3DMark06 CPU-Score 7933 Points

That would almost constitute a 3x speed up, clock per clock, vs. a pair of FX-7x series DC K8s.

"A bit too good" would seem like one hell of an understatement considering that. IMHO, either (rather unlikely) K10 "breaks" the benchmark, or those are not numbers for a 4-core system.

[[XC] Teroedni]

You have more infos than i? Ok, then show them! Its funny, everyone is crying fake and lie, just because they dont knwo

Hey w0mbat
Any chance you could get your contact to sign up for Wcg for a while so we could see some performance in this great Benchhmark. Would really be cool and it wont harm the NDA would it?

[w0mbat]

Im running WCG on my Opteron 146@2,8GHz since a while.

BTW: The CPU-Scores are BS. If you read the news section carefully you will find out why.

[[XC] Teroedni]

ahh Welcome Now you only need to add some more to make barbeque of me
Thanks for joining.


What cpu scores are you talking about

[flippin_waffles]

I think it would be very wise for AMD to release even just a few benchmarks as soon as possible. If the numbers are as good as some think they are, alot of the people that read reviews and such would wait til fall instead of jumping ship, and possible pick up a cheap brisbane with the choice of upgrading to K10 when they're ready. Even just a couple bar graphs without numbers would probably do it.

[verndewd]

You have more infos than i? Ok, then show them! Its funny, everyone is crying fake and lie, just because they dont knwo

ANY time there wombat.The whole world is waiting for any sign that AMD isnt lost in an attic somewhere playing dressup.

If you are under an NDA just post numbers,and bench a couple heavy games with it.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1159937 heres a kentsfield score for you.

FYI your cpu score is only in the 10% better range.Which is good for 4x4 on 1207 considering all the PCB it has to go through.Try benching one cpu and then both of them with an nvidia 8800gtx or an ati xtx. Id like to see the fps.

Another issue is that its an fx chip which should ideally be the fastest of the lot,and since intels new quads are coming out with 5% more speed and at a price range of 2-300 dollars; Giving us great benches is kind of important in some ways.

[Aussie FX]

You do . Well in the jast 5 months Brent has had it right a lot more than you have.

You trust what AMD says after all the lies of the last few months. Thats sad . I feel Brent is relieing on his own knowledge and what AMD has shown us over the last six months. Brent will by K10 if its all that. But I bet he takes a hard look at Penryn first.

Can someone please slap this guy??

I should go over to Intels section and post like he does here.

Except decent people don't do that, so I won't.

Savantu, you're just as bad.

PLEASE, I want to read about K10, not all this core2 is better crap.