Apogee GT Bowed O-ring Concerns

[Hard H20]

Guys,

I just finished changing out o-rings in my GT, I'm a little concerned about possible leaking from the block now. There is a definite hairline gap between the copper base plate and the black housing now on all 4 sides of the base plate you can definitly see the "bow".

Anybody have pics of a GT with the "fat" o-ring installed that I can compare my block with before I install this in my rig? I would post pics of my block but my wife has the digicam at a birthday party right now.

Thanks.

[DarkCow]

its fine. the gap should be .3mm bigger than before. if it is then your fine.

the gap isn't stoping the water from leaking its the o-ring. if the o-ring is set up correctly you'll be fine.

to be on the safe side take your mobo out of your case and then test it.

[newls1]

Guys,

I just finished changing out o-rings in my GT, I'm a little concerned about possible leaking from the block now. There is a definite hairline gap between the copper base plate and the black housing now on all 4 sides of the base plate you can definitly see the "bow".

Anybody have pics of a GT with the "fat" o-ring installed that I can compare my block with before I install this in my rig? I would post pics of my block but my wife has the digicam at a birthday party right now.

Thanks.

you wont have an issue, I thought the same thing, but all was fine. Remember, the stock O-Ring is 2.5mm, and the thicker 1 is 3mm.......

[rosco]

Anybody have pics of a GT with the "fat" o-ring installed that I can compare my block with before I install this in my rig?

Don't worry, it's normal.



Complete evaluation here

[dinos22]

Don't worry, it's normal.



Complete evaluation here

that's a really good review there

[Hard H20]

Thanks for putting my concerns to rest guys!

Rosco,

Thanks great pic. I have about the same gap here.

[dinos22]

which O-Ring is getting replaced for a thicket one...can someone just confirm that please....i'm thinking the one where the tubing goes but i'm not sure how that bows the base

[Hard H20]

dinos,

The o-ring in question is internal between the copper base and the black housing, not the barb o-rings.

[qwerty69]

that's a really good review there

Second that. Just looking at the pics(don't understand French), it's one of the most informative review on a waterblock.

[dinos22]

dinos,

The o-ring in question is internal between the copper base and the black housing, not the barb o-rings.

yeah that makes sense why it would bow but i would never do that to my block to be honest

[redcorn]

that's a really good review there

Thanks great pic. I have about the same gap here.[/QUOTE]

Is there an english version? How can you see that site in English? seems like he does a really good review very detailed.

[dinos22]

Thanks great pic. I have about the same gap here.

Is there an english version? How can you see that site in English? seems like he does a really good review very detailed.[/QUOTE]
just type in google translate website and you'll get the right link

[thunderstruck!]

I don't know much about the GT, but why are you changing O-rings? What's wrong with the stock one and how did you get the 'new' (apparently thicker?) one?

[dinos22]

I don't know much about the GT, but why are you changing O-rings? What's wrong with the stock one and how did you get the 'new' (apparently thicker?) one?

Gabe posted here that he got around 8C drop on the quad core after using the thicker o-ring on CES benching session when they were comparing blocks...kind of went that way hehh

[thunderstruck!]

Ah, I see. Where do you find the proper o-ring?

[dinos22]

Ah, I see. Where do you find the proper o-ring?

i'm not sure but i guess some sort of plumbing supplies place would do

[Mekrel]

I don't know much about the GT, but why are you changing O-rings? What's wrong with the stock one and how did you get the 'new' (apparently thicker?) one?

The thicker one is included in the packaging unless you bought one from a shop who were selling them before they should have done.

The O-Ring bows the base which evens out after mounting pressure to ensure best contact.

Now, this is how I see it (and by the way, I'm not a Swiftech hater, they make great products - but you will see what I mean).

• CPU Block shoot out vs ApogeeGT and D-Tek FuZion.
• D-Tek Fuzion wins hands down.
• This was with DTek employees in the room too.
• Swiftech come back day after with no D-Tek employees.
• Use a bigger O-Ring (after now seeing D-Tek Fuzion which has a bowed base).
• It then beats Fuzion.
• Gabe claims they knew about the bowed base tweak
• So, you take your industry leading product into a test vs a competitor - knowing it isn't performing at it's best - they also didn't use a bigger O-ring on the same day. Surely you would have taken it with you if you knew there was a chance of being beaten.
• So the O-Ring was an after thought, which explains why retail packs are in circulation withoutn the O-Ring.

Not slagging Swiftech off, but it's clear to me that they saw why D-Tek was mounting and making contact better and decided to copy. Not that it's a bad thing - as having more than one good performing option to take is a good thing, just don't see the point in lying about it.

[thunderstruck!]

Ok, that makes sense. Haven't been familiar with the new blocks that came out. Thanks.

[Sneaky]

in regards to Mekrel's post, I thought that the fuzion still beat the apogee GT even when the thicker o-ring was used to bow the base

I know there was a temp. drop with the bowed apogee GT base, but to my knowledge the fuzion was still the winner... but correct me if I'm wrong

[nikhsub1]

Wow you guys are translate noobs... http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools

use the 'following page' link to go to the next page, dont use the dropdown or it wont work. Nice review as always Roscal.

[Mekrel]

in regards to Mekrel's post, I thought that the fuzion still beat the apogee GT even when the thicker o-ring was used to bow the base

I know there was a temp. drop with the bowed apogee GT base, but to my knowledge the fuzion was still the winner... but correct me if I'm wrong

Well according to Philly_Boy, the second day CES test, ApogeeGT beat FuZion when using the bigger O-Ring.

I've only seen two other ApogeeGT reviews (not read Roscos yet) and none of them mention the bigger O-Ring, let alone use it.

[gabe]

Not slagging Swiftech off, but it's clear to me that they saw why D-Tek was mounting and making contact better and decided to copy. Not that it's a bad thing - as having more than one good performing option to take is a good thing, just don't see the point in lying about it.

Your assumptions/deductions/analysis are severely askew Sir.

Ask witnesses. I announced the bowed base (o-ring tweak) BEFORE all the tests began. Please read phylly_boy accounts of why/how we conceded the first day, and ugraded our scores on the second day. You are free to prefer one solution over another, but do not need to slander a Company and its officers just to make your point.

[dinos22]

Mekrel you bad boy....when are you going to start reading those threads before you put 2 and 2 together

[Philly_Boy]

The thicker one is included in the packaging unless you bought one from a shop who were selling them before they should have done.

The O-Ring bows the base which evens out after mounting pressure to ensure best contact.

Now, this is how I see it (and by the way, I'm not a Swiftech hater, they make great products - but you will see what I mean).

• CPU Block shoot out vs ApogeeGT and D-Tek FuZion.
• D-Tek Fuzion wins hands down.
• This was with DTek employees in the room too.
• Swiftech come back day after with no D-Tek employees.
• Use a bigger O-Ring (after now seeing D-Tek Fuzion which has a bowed base).
• It then beats Fuzion.
• Gabe claims they knew about the bowed base tweak
• So, you take your industry leading product into a test vs a competitor - knowing it isn't performing at it's best - they also didn't use a bigger O-ring on the same day. Surely you would have taken it with you if you knew there was a chance of being beaten.
• So the O-Ring was an after thought, which explains why retail packs are in circulation withoutn the O-Ring.

Not slagging Swiftech off, but it's clear to me that they saw why D-Tek was mounting and making contact better and decided to copy. Not that it's a bad thing - as having more than one good performing option to take is a good thing, just don't see the point in lying about it.

It wasn't like that at all. On the first night we discovered both blocks had bowed bases before the testing even began. The first night was flawed by bad mounts that ruined a mother board. EDIT:Danny Salandra's (D-Tek's CEO) did find out about the second night a few days later while everyone waited for the results to be posted. When the dust settled, the Fuzion performed very well, but with the set up we had that night the Apogee GT performed better. I am in the process of a CPU water block comparison that includes both these blocks ran on a test bed that features a C2D. The night of the Swiftech Challenge and the following night we had a QX6700. We'll let you know who wins round three. . .

[kuhla]

We'll let you know who wins round three. . .

Any time guesstimate when round 3 ends? I will wait for those results before I buy.