Thank god we don't have to upgrade.

[rodman]

Looking at all the Conroe (intel) gaming benchmarks tells me I don't have to upgrade for awile as the performance between Conroe and AMD 64 is about the same. If anything I will get a X2 Woo-Hoo

[Repoman]

I was thinking the same thing, maybe once X2's go down in price grab one of those. Still trying to decide if I can afford Conroe though (I can't, what I mean is can I make it work ) because the advantage in everything else is nice

[aintz]

conroe is faster clock per clock but ur opt 148 at 2.9 will last you a long time

[r3w4]

The X2 3800 will be a great buy since the Conroe prices look inflated. Are those RHT rumors confirmed yet?

[SepheronX]

if your referring to the Hardocp thread, then you are easily mistaken. HardOCP is known to be pretty AMD fanboyish and thoes benchmarks are obviously not well done. Intel Conroe is up to and over 15% better then AMD clock for clock wise, but once a game is at high high res, then its more GPU dependent. But yeah, an overclocked opteron will last you a long time, you really dont need the performance of a conroe anyway, it is kind of ahead of its time sort of thing.

[keiths]

The guys at HardOCP aren't AMD fanboyish, they're whores who squeal for the dollar. That's how many guys at extremesystems originally ended up here, after getting booted from hardocp from pointing out the the BS the hardocp guys were shoveling in a review that put a p4 in a much undeserved good light.

[SepheronX]

well i was close enough..........

[aintz]

hardocp is not a very good site to visit imo. r3w4 there is no point getting a x2 3800+ after conroe release. thread is Thank god we don't have to upgrade. people with opt that goes to 3Ghz dont raelly have a point to upgrade. but if you have a crappier non duel core and you want to upgrade it is definiately to conroe

[r3w4]

hardocp is not a very good site to visit imo. r3w4 there is no point getting a x2 3800+ after conroe release. thread is Thank god we don't have to upgrade. people with opt that goes to 3Ghz dont raelly have a point to upgrade. but if you have a crappier non duel core and you want to upgrade it is definiately to conroe

That was a reply to Repoman's post. The X2's will priced competitively against Conroe so that's an ignorant comment to make.

[en4cer]

Looking at all the Conroe (intel) gaming benchmarks tells me I don't have to upgrade for awile as the performance between Conroe and AMD 64 is about the same. If anything I will get a X2 Woo-Hoo

I was thinking the same thing. It's taken a long time to get my current right where I wanted it, It would be a smart move to just stick with thw A64's.

[aintz]

That was a reply to Repoman's post. The X2's will priced competitively against Conroe so that's an ignorant comment to make.

well the x2 3800+ is suppose to be cheaper than the E6300 by like 20usd. core 2 is faster clock per clock than x2 and it ocs better so.

[fhpchris]

Sigh, now the intel boys are here

1 ) Is conroe actually for sale now? no.
2) Is there even ONE good conroe mobo? no.
3) is conroe faster than A64 in real world gaming? no.
4) is conroe going to be on sale @ MSRP soon? Good luck, many places are canceling preorders!

If you play Pi, or 3dmark 2001, go pay out the ass for conroe and a crappy, buggy board.

If you just want a fast and cheap gaming comp, a 3800+ x2 will be cheaper and available. Many great am2 boards are also out.

[Brock Landers]

<snip> but if you have a crappier non duel(sic) core and you want to upgrade it is definiately to conroe

Oh, like me? Yeah, I'm most likely going to upgrade to Conroe. It kind of pains me, seeing as I have predominantly had AMD since my 386/40, but sometimes you just have to accept that the performance is somewhere else. I will not turn a blind fanboy eye to a better solution. Besides, the wife really needs a decently OC'ed Venice with a 9800Pro. Right?

I hope this doesn't sound inflammatory, because I don't want to see a pissing match started in here. These forums don't need it. There are plenty of people here with enough intellectual capacity to avoid the cheap, stupid flamewar crap.

[arisythila]

The X2 3800 will be a great buy since the Conroe prices look inflated. Are those RHT rumors confirmed yet?

Friends from Microsoft say they are helping AMD work on RHT, They are designing an update for windows XP, Vista will come with it.

~Mike

[rodman]

well the x2 3800+ is suppose to be cheaper than the E6300 by like 20usd. core 2 is faster clock per clock than x2 and it ocs better so.

Well...If the Conroe overclocks like these then yes, I will be tempted..

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/362/16/

Does anyone think going from (for gaming) a A64 to a conroe will be like going from a P4 to a A64?

[SepheronX]

of course it will be, but looking on this thread, people here on the AMD section are just hanging onto a thin thread right now, they are saying Conroe isnt living up to the hype, when really, it is on every other site besides HardOCP, i believe some people are just ignoring the fact that its better, the 1.8ghz intel conroe beats the 3800+ no problem, but others say otherwise. Fact being, if you have a dual core right now, then stick with it, no point upgradeing from dual core to dual core, its better to just go from dual core to quad core.

[fhpchris]

Well...If the Conroe overclocks like these then yes, I will be tempted..

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/362/16/

Does anyone think going from (for gaming) a A64 to a conroe will be like going from a P4 to a A64?

It isnt. I can knock off 19s pi 1m with this Yonah, and its no faster than my FX, at some things, its actually slower than the FX (64 bit apps, I run a 64 bit os)

MY 2.8 GHZ FX60 scores the same in (64 bit)cinebench as (32 bit)x6800

[pcdoc1]

The guys at HardOCP aren't AMD fanboyish, they're whores who squeal for the dollar....

You all need to get off of this BS.... If this was [H] attacking XS you'd be singing a different toon... Kyle is not an AMD fanboy; he calls it as he sees it… If Fugger, OPP, or others from here would have written this review you’d be saying; Oh my! God has spoken…

I’m not a AMD fanboy but I’ve gotta tell ya, Intel has been breaking it off in you for years… The introduction of the P4 was a disgrace; out of the box it couldn’t touch the P3. Not only did they successfully shove BS down your throat, but they did it at an extremely exaggerated price point, and they did it for years… You may not hold a grudge, but I do…

Why not just sort through the reviews and make up your own mind…. For instants, I’m not a gamer (way too old and fat); if I was, I wouldn’t even consider making a change right now. On they other hand, I encode a lot of DVD’s so based on what I’ve seen thus far, moving to Conroe might be a good decision. I’m just not quite ready to bail because Intel says I should…

One more thing… In this forum, we’ve enjoyed for years whipping up on the Intel guys… Maybe it’s just their turn! Let’s get over it and move on to whats important to us...

Regards-

[fhpchris]

You all need to get off of this BS.... If this was [H] attacking XS you'd be singing a different toon... Kyle is not an AMD fanboy; he calls it as he sees it… If Fugger, OPP, or others from here would have written this review you’d be saying; Oh my! God has spoken…

I’m not a AMD fanboy but I’ve gotta tell ya, Intel has been breaking it off in you for years… The introduction of the P4 was a disgrace; out of the box it couldn’t touch the P3. Not only did they successfully shove BS down your throat, but they did it at an extremely exaggerated price point, and they did it for years… You may not hold a grudge, but I do…

Why not just sort through the reviews and make up your own mind…. For instants, I’m not a gamer (way too old and fat); if I was, I wouldn’t even consider making a change right now. On they other hand, I encode a lot of DVD’s so based on what I’ve seen thus far, moving to Conroe might be a good decision. I’m just not quite ready to bail because Intel says I should…

One more thing… In this forum, we’ve enjoyed for years whipping up on the Intel guys… Maybe it’s just their turn! Let’s get over it and move on to whats important to us...

Regards-

If you encode, you need to see how fast 64 bit XVID is on both platforms.

[rodman]

fhpchris, love the avatar and love my Evo

I didn't base this thread title on Hardocp alone..

http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_090f.html

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...essors/12.html

[RyderOCZ]

Why not just sort through the reviews and make up your own mind…. For instants, I’m not a gamer (way too old and fat); if I was, I wouldn’t even consider making a change right now. On they other hand, I encode a lot of DVD’s so based on what I’ve seen thus far, moving to Conroe might be a good decision. I’m just not quite ready to bail because Intel says I should…

One more thing… In this forum, we’ve enjoyed for years whipping up on the Intel guys… Maybe it’s just their turn! Let’s get over it and move on to whats important to us...

Regards-

Good Words...

[fhpchris]

fhpchris, love the avatar and love my Evo

I didn't base this thread title on Hardocp alone..

http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_090f.html

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...essors/12.html

Evo's are fun cars to drive around, two of my friends own them

I also didnt base my opinions on [H]'s review.

[drunkenmaster]

if your referring to the Hardocp thread, then you are easily mistaken. HardOCP is known to be pretty AMD fanboyish and thoes benchmarks are obviously not well done. Intel Conroe is up to and over 15% better then AMD clock for clock wise, but once a game is at high high res, then its more GPU dependent. But yeah, an overclocked opteron will last you a long time, you really dont need the performance of a conroe anyway, it is kind of ahead of its time sort of thing.

[h] is showing exactly the same thing as all the other sites that are showing real world gaming. the review is a gaming only review not a general performance review. about 3-4 other reviews show high res high quality benchmarks all show remarkably similar results to [h], a few of those ones show low res and low quality benchmarks aswell and those are remarkably similar to all the other sites doing ONLY low res benchies. not a single person in the entire freaking world will use a single x1900xt and play games at 1024x768, quite a few will benchmark at 1280x1024 unless screen limited, and even then unlike the reviews you will for sure be playing in completely maxed out settings for quality which will make a good deal of games gpu limited which again would show same results on any 2.2Ghz or so processor up(obviously a little faster for a p4 chip).

there is still, to this day one single forum which shows high res with double the fps in fear and oblivion, out of 15 billion reviews, previews not a single one supports that, those numbers looked bogus before the reviews, they look more bogus now--- they are infact bogus.

most of the decent sites say they ran benchmarks in low res JUST to show the cpu performing differently. only anandtech ran 1600x1200 and semi high quality but they were running x1900's in crossfire on really some fairly weak games, like hl2, and they still weren't really gpu limited at all, and even then conroe wasn't that far ahead.

hexus shows some 1280x1024, some 1600x1200 and some 1920x1200 benchies at high quality on sli setups and these show fx62 and x6800 performing very very very similarly on more games than not. a couple games like hl2 even run 1920x1200 maxed out without being "that" gpu limited. but other games again show completely identical fps's when gpu limited.

if you've ever played a game while not gpu limited, you wasted money on a better card than you needed.

[drunkenmaster]

every review that shows a card being used to its potential in the same way anyone of us would use, and the same way [h] used it shows the same results. if you can find a review that uses a x1900/7900 at 1600x1200, or crossfire at 1600x1200/1920x1200 that proves other wise link me up. please.

EDIT:- just like the [h] review which is just about gaming, this thread isn't "i dont' have to get conroe its not faster in any situation at all" this is " i don't have to get a conroe because it won't give me a bump in fps at the resolutions i want to play at" thread. every review that bothered to do high res/high quality backs that up. no one in this thread is saying conroe isn't the better or faster cpu. if this thread were "i encode divx/render stuff/ encrypt/decrypt/bench and i'm not sure if i should get a conroe" i would, and everyone would say, get one it will rock your world. but for gaming that simply isn't the case. unless of course you have a x1900xt but love to play at 1024x768 all day long(of course at that res with that card a celeron will give you a solid 100+fps all day long so again, do you need 450fps in fear?).

[pcdoc1]

If you encode, you need to see how fast 64 bit XVID is on both platforms.

Thanks, I'll check it.......