Conroe 2.4Ghz on 965G mobo, brief test...

[incurable]

You guys should be able to get a Conroe sample from Intel if you ask. Just write a request and give your website link as well as other link to websites using your benchmark.

I believe Intel would rather not send free samples to AMD or any of its personnel.

[StyM]

how about some 64bit benchmarks???

[FischOderAal]

hiho everybody

well, I've done some google-search and found this about the Albatron PX975X. sadly

The board which fascinated me most at Albatron was the PX975X. It has a lot of unique features that make the board very interesting for overclockers. It will also be a limited edition only. Look at all those features - 7-phase power, 10 SATA ports!.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Cebit2006/Day3

but hey, there are another Mobos up to come from Albatron which have the digital clock generator and the metal mosfets as well ^^
gimme more power harhar

[Durzel]

That Albatron PX975X looks like a beast!

[RimRam]

Yes. I would like to see some 64bit benchmarks if possible.
BTW, VW thank you for all your excellent work and keeping us informed.
You are a swell guy and made a name for yourself in the net.
Congrat.

[StyM]

http://sharikou.blogspot.com/

came across this blog stating about how a a64 could easily beat conroe...
is there any truth to it???

[leomax]

^^ OMG,he is very anti-intel.
Does he realise,most of the apps used by a average man (Not uber geeks or enthusisats,where the bulk of consumers is) can fit in the 4mb cache?

[agenda2005]

I believe Intel would rather not send free samples to AMD or any of its personnel.

There might be some elements of 'truth' in that. I remember when the ScienceMark writers were alleged to have written the program to show the power of Athlon back in the days of AXP and Northwoord. They seems to have changed now, but that allegation might still hurt them.

http://sharikou.blogspot.com/

came across this blog stating about how a a64 could easily beat conroe...
is there any truth to it???

That looks like a speculation at the moment.

When Conroe is compiled with SSE/SSE2/SSE3/SSE4 optimizations, then we shall know the real truth.

The guy have no clue that the ScienceMark benchmark was running on plane Jane x87 which does no good to current days CPUs.

SPEC score will clear up those gray areas. There are more than 20 benchmark suit in SPEC and each of them uses > 100MB of memory.

[Ailleur]

http://sharikou.blogspot.com/

came across this blog stating about how a a64 could easily beat conroe...
is there any truth to it???

Read the rest of his "articles" and find out for yourself. I think Intel killed his baby or something.

[PMAer]

I agree. Seems like he has a grudge to settle with Intel.
At the same time, his being Pro-AMD clearly shows in his other articles.

If he doesn't/could not provide any real benchmarks of the two systems head for head.. then we all shouldn't take his "theoretical" calculations as being factual in any sense possible.

[incurable]

There are some element of 'truth' in that. I remember when the ScienceMark writers were alleged to have written the program to show the power of Athlon back in the days of AXP and Northwoord. They seems to have changed now, but that allegation might still hurt them.

The truth is that Tim Wilkens, the guy who programmed the apps this benchmark is based on (for his PhD research, IIRC), scored a job w/ AMD after getting his degree.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Tim (I don't even know if he's still actively involved in the project.) or Alex or the others who are part of ScienceMark group are writing their software in a way to show one competitor scoring higher than the other. But instead of sending the ScienceMark guys pre-release hardware, Intel could just mail it to Hector himself.

[Thorburn]

http://sharikou.blogspot.com/

came across this blog stating about how a a64 could easily beat conroe...
is there any truth to it???

"the 4MB cache is definitely eating a lot of die area and Intel's limited capacity."

I've not been keeping up on AMD's Fabs, but 55% market share? AMD couldn't actually produce that many chips, they are already struggling.
Intel has vastly greater capacity, not to mention the Conroes die, even with its 4MB L2 cache is probably smaller than the Athlon X2's thanks to the 65nm process its built on.

"AMD should work with benchmark creators to ensure that application benchmarks have a working set larger than the cache size of Conroe -- 4MB."

So he ridicules the production of an Intel optimised binary which sees performance improvements on both platforms produced without Intels direct help, and then suggests AMD work with people to produce beneficial benchmarks?
Whats more the 4MB L2 cache isn't JUST going to be used for the benchmark, ok a significant portion maybe but common OS functions and other processes will also be competing for cache space.
The fact of the matter is Intel invests a lot of resources in compiler technology and at the same time does so without intentionally harming its competitors performance, an Intel compiled binary has been shown time and time again to show performance benefits its own and its competitors platforms. Intel also produces tools such as VTune to help developers optimise there applications by analysing the program as it runs.
How much resources does AMD commit to compilers?
http://developer.amd.com/devtools.aspx#Compilers
Considering they produce nothing and MS Visual Studio is included on that list, which generally gives lower performance on AMD platforms than Intels own compilers my guess would be not a great deal.

Whats more, Intel provides free evaluation and non-Commercial Usage version of there compilers for anyone to try.

Finally he bangs on about 64-bit and how it improves performance, and how obviously that makes the Athlon 64 better, but doesn't look to see how existing Intel chips such as the 950 benefit, let alone even mention that Conroe, Merom, Woodcrest all support this anyway.

I'm sorry but this is someone who clearly just has a chip on there shoulder.

[incurable]

[URL="http://sharikou.blogspot.com/"]came across this blog stating about how a a64 could easily beat conroe...
is there any truth to it???

Any? Sure! You can probably construct scenarios in which K8 will beat Conroe at the same clock, however, that's almost always possible.

What you really should be looking for, however, is the performance of either w/ the software YOU use and care about.

[StyM]

How much does AMD pay you to come up with the garbage you do????

just love this comment on his blog..
seems like he's a die hard amd fan..

[incurable]

This blog is like a trip down memory lane, it reminds me of the old days with Van Smith heading his own little holy war and giving Mario Rodrigues space for his Intel-hating drivel.

I wonder if it's him (Mr Rodrigues) again, it would certainly fit the profile on the site and the writing.

[mursaat]

Poor fanboy if you ask me, he has a s754 2800+

[TarTheDark]

Hey guys, he's a "PhD"... he can't be wrong...

Jokes aside, like somebody said: smells like a fanboy to me. A hardcore one too.

[uOpt]

The blog has somewhat of a valid point.

Since "Core" still doesn't have an integrated memory controller, AMD64 will do better once you trash the CPU cache.

In practice I highly doubt that many applications trash a 4 MB cache.

I know that almost all the stuff in my benchmark suite lives fine in 512 KB, only some thing really benefitting from 1024 KB.

[day187]

Is that conroe 2.4ghz dual core ?
Thanks

[Mehmet_Ali]

superb!!!

[Revv23]

The blog has somewhat of a valid point.

Since "Core" still doesn't have an integrated memory controller, AMD64 will do better once you trash the CPU cache.

In practice I highly doubt that many applications trash a 4 MB cache.

I know that almost all the stuff in my benchmark suite lives fine in 512 KB, only some thing really benefitting from 1024 KB.

the idea is that amd doesnt need the cache as the access is direct to memory meaning it can get data faster, therefore it doesnt need to store as much "temp" information.

4mb suites conroe well and helps make the lack of the memory controller a non issue.

[TigeriS]

I remember the P4 article at emulators dot com. How hardware sites ignored that article, how much peoples feared AMD's death. Now we all know the truth about the P4. That dude was right, AMD showed intel how to make cpu's and now intel is showing they've learned their lesson.

I believe AMD could easily beat Conroe, if you compare some of the benchmarks and what Conroe has more than the Athlon. You can see that AMD doesn't have to "Redisign" the Athlon to make it faster.

Double FPU, more L2 Cache (perhaps L3) More Mhz, will make it difficult for intel to impress the public.

I don't understand why peoples always underestimate AMD while they've show us many times by now that they can do anything intel can, and better.
AMD has always come up with something to show they're on top of it.

[CarlosTech]

When will we be able to buy Conroe ?

[freecableguy]

That Albatron PX975X looks like a beast!

I've managed to get one. Should have it this weekend...

[vanovich]

we havnt seen conroe oc yet . and the boards running them is another thing . ofcours one can find tests to favour .but a super pi in 20 secs and standard clk , seems fast enough for me .lol
besides from that ,i think the article is worth reading ,maybe there is something to it . maybe not . lets just all hope the conroe will oc just as good if not better ,than most of the earlier cpu_s.


and yes ,im all intel . lol