The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread

[D3kMatrix]

dont get the platinum if you want to overclock. it only does 230 MAYBE 240. i have't tried heavy voltage yet, my DDR booster should come on Friday, we may see. But you'd be best off getting the gold if you want ocz.

lol, its probably your CPU not the neo2 limiting your OC to such low HTT.
Mine does 312HTT :P

Most peoples can break 290 easy

[phobix]

@Side-effect

Just flashed to your modded 1B rev2 TCCD bios and it is a no go for me

It get's past post indicating that CMOS values have changes, press F1 to continue, F10 for CMOS setup no problem but it freezes on NVRAID.

Here it what I tried:

Unplugged all PCI peripherals, reset CMOS,disconnected all IDE peripherals, removed 1 stick DDR and Left 1 stick closet to CPU (OCZ TCCD rev 2 plats) but it still freezes on NVRAID.

THe only thing left for me to try is an old stick of 256mb DDR I have lying around in place of the OCZ. If this doesn't work out I am going to have to hotflash the bios back to 1.36b in my Bro's board (Thankfully he has the same board).

But these Bios update woes are putting a damper on my X2 upgrade. If I can't get the bios upgraded beyond 1.36b then I won't be able to go X2

[phobix]

I think the driving strength is a little sketchy on the modded bios. Thankfully I got the system to boot windows with my old stick of Winbond CH-5 installed in place of the TCCDs and used winflash to reflash back to 1.36b despite the fact I could not get into CMOS setup, it would hang if I would attempt to do so.

In short the system WOULD not boot with TCCDs in dual or single channel mode. I am going to take extra precautions from now on when I flash and flash with the winbond stick in place and then switch to the TCCDs for testing.

[msimax]

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well at least i know my board isnt holding me back

i think its either my x2 mem controller or ram, my ram does 610 at 2t but at 1t it does only 280-285 on a good day

what u think sideeffect

[sideeffect]

I would just stick with the 1T mode and run 1:1. 285x10. Would save voltage on the cpu and so would be cooler. Fast enough in my opinion

You have a very good dual core cpu there with both cores hitting 3ghz. My core also hits 3ghz at 1.65 volts but i run at 2750 on 1.5 volts 24/7.

[phobix]

Maybe this is buried somewhere in this thread...But my problem seems to be related to when flashing from a bios lower than 1.8 you must:

1) Clear CMOS
2) Program bootblock

use the following switches:

awfl833d.exe w7030nms.180 /py /sn /wb /cc /cd /cp /f /e

Obviously this reveals that MSI has ommited something in their new bios releases and this is in no way shape or form a reflection of sideeffects bios mods.

[sideeffect]

I think its because they added something.

The AGESACPU.939

That controls the dual core cpus and is only present in bios version after 1.8. Winflash still handles the bios correctly and as long as you shutdown after flash and CLEAR CMOS. There is never any problem. The problem comes because most people got used to just using quick clear cmos that winflash does which isnt a proper clear cmos it still keeps data.

With 1.36 to 1.8 you could just flash and restart and there would be no problem because its more of less the same bios. The 1.9 - 1.C is not the same bios.

Personally i flash then turn pc off let all power drain from board by removing power lead then clear cmos with the jumper. Then restart pc.

[Zeppelin]

Hi, Sideeffect...
I'm having some trouble stabilizing my pair of GSkill HZ PC 4000 2 x 1GB over 255 FSB.
This same pair is doing about 275 @ DFI NF4.
Is there anything to be done with a new BIOS.
Can you help in anyway?

Tks
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[Aleister]

dont get the platinum if you want to overclock. it only does 230 MAYBE 240. i have't tried heavy voltage yet, my DDR booster should come on Friday, we may see. But you'd be best off getting the gold if you want ocz.

Like this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227219

[el rolio]

hmm, im about to install one of these opteron's everyone loves... should i use one of these newer bioses you think? on my winnie i was gettin best results with hte 1.8mod3

[stw500]

hmm, im about to install one of these opteron's everyone loves... should i use one of these newer bioses you think? on my winnie i was gettin best results with hte 1.8mod3

Well the opterons are new cpus, so the best supporting bios will be a newer one. The 1.8mod versions are mainly made for the winchester and the same old cpus.

[Losphoron]

noone knows about Geils Values (with blue heat spreaders) and this board how works?

[phobix]

I think its because they added something.

The AGESACPU.939

That controls the dual core cpus and is only present in bios version after 1.8. Winflash still handles the bios correctly and as long as you shutdown after flash and CLEAR CMOS. There is never any problem. The problem comes because most people got used to just using quick clear cmos that winflash does which isnt a proper clear cmos it still keeps data.

With 1.36 to 1.8 you could just flash and restart and there would be no problem because its more of less the same bios. The 1.9 - 1.C is not the same bios.

Personally i flash then turn pc off let all power drain from board by removing power lead then clear cmos with the jumper. Then restart pc.

Tried absolutely everything following all of the proper flash procedures and COULD NOT get into CMOS setup for any bios Higher than 1.8. I honestly don't know what gives...But I don't have the flexibility of turning off and on 50 times a second since I am running with a prommy (Restart delay)... I gave up for the time being, cancelled the X2 cpu order and flashed back to 1.36b... I am going to change the whole motherboard for the new DFI but this will require some more $$$ as I will need PCIe, etc... So my plans are on hold for the time being...

[sideeffect]

phobix are you using vapochill or some other extreme cooling? Because if you are the reason you cant get into bios is because the bios doesnt recognise low temperatures and so wont load bios setup.

The way to get around that is to use a bios with the temperatures removed. You can use the 1.A bios on my website. I can make you a 1.B version as well if you want. I had the same problem when i used vapochill. Removing the bios temperature values fixes it and the temperature still shows in windows with speedfan/mbm so its not big deal.

And you didnt try everything you didnt try air cooling to see if it was a cold boot issue

[phobix]

phobix are you using vapochill or some other extreme cooling? Because if you are the reason you cant get into bios is because the bios doesnt recognise low temperatures and so wont load bios setup.

The way to get around that is to use a bios with the temperatures removed. You can use the 1.A bios on my website. I can make you a 1.B version as well if you want. I had the same problem when i used vapochill. Removing the bios temperature values fixes it and the temperature still shows in windows with speedfan/mbm so its not big deal.

And you didnt try everything you didnt try air cooling to see if it was a cold boot issue

Yes indeed, running a MachII here...

If you could make me a 1.B version that would be lovely

And you are right, I am lazy... Since you are a vapo owner you know how much effort it is to take the motherboard out of the case once installed! I hate redoing all the anti-condensation crap...

[sideeffect]

Yes I hate it to removing and installing vapochill..... Once its up and running its all good but diagnosing a problem is such a hassle

Well yes i can make you a 1.B mod what version do you want with memory timings or just standard bios? Or would you prefer the newer 1.Cbeta bios?

Edit - I just made a 1.B rev2 No temp bios. you can get it from HERE

[phobix]

WOOOOOT

She works!! Like a champ!

Thanks side-effect!!! Too late to undo my order cancellation... But this bios rocks... I am running the same overclock I have been with my winchester with 1.36b for the last year with 0 instabilities thus far and the best part is I am now X2 ready!

[FlyingHamster]

someone said this in another thread:

Set the AGP voltage higher (since vAGP = Chipset vdd on the Neo2)

is this true?!?! does vAGP = chipset vdd on the neo2??

[stw500]

noone knows about Geils Values (with blue heat spreaders) and this board how works?

I answered your question right after you asked...look above...

[theDUD3]

someone said this in another thread:


is this true?!?! does vAGP = chipset vdd on the neo2??

hmmm... anybody?

[xxbiker]

hmmm... anybody?

I think it.s so on the via chipset since i have managed too get a higher oc
with 1.75 volt on the agp on a msi k8t neo fir. But i have never seen such an impact on the neo platium board.
xxbiker

[sideeffect]

Yes i also havnt noticed anything from upping the vagp volts. Its possible they do scale together but i dont think so from personal experiance,

[Losphoron]

I answered your question right after you asked...look above...

sorry man..I didn't saw your post.Scrolled too fast
Sorry to hear that..Should i go for my kingmax Super ram 512 ppc3200 ? No money for premium versions :P

[flick]

Hi,

I haven't posted here in a while. Has anybody had a problems with AGP and bios's past 1.8, i.e. 1.9-1.c3 and X2 dual core cpu's? I have an X850XT PE and an X2 4400+ on my neo 2 platinum. I have serious problems gaming after about 3-4 hours where any game I'm playing will begin to slowly stutter to the point that it's unplayable. It does it with any game and the only way to fix it is to restart the system. Then it's good for another 3 hours or so. It seems like a memory leak of some sort. The big key here is that it only happens with bios's past 1.8. I understand that 1.9 and on are new bios's, but am wondering why it's doing this to my system. 1.8 and down I have no problems what so ever. I can game all day and not have a problem, but I don't get the dual core advantage. Also 1.9 and above everything else is great and works fine as far as dual core goes. It's just when I'm gaming. Any information would be helpful.
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I also have a Prometia which the bios's still don't see right because of the negative temperature. I still can't delete into the newer bios's without a temp mod. Anyway that's a side note.

[Losphoron]

ok..I want some cool ddr's for OC with this board for 60$ (512 ram PC3200 banks)...Want some suggestions from your experience..Thank you