The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread

[msimax]

wonder if i should rma it and see if i get a better one or take the 15% refund hit

[sideeffect]

wonder if i should rma it and see if i get a better one or take the 15% refund hit

Try and burn the cpu in with toast it can increase the overclock. X2 processers will rarely overclock as well as X1 cpu's.

[msimax]

anything higher than 2.595 it just bsod then reboots now matter what volts .i have a winnie that does the samething so i dont think burn will work

[ElAguila]

when i click on the icon twice it doesnt give me two windows

Create 2 shortcuts and name them Prime0 and Prime1. Go to the properties and one one put -A0 after the prime95.exe and on the other put -A1. This tells each one to use a different core. So the target of the shortcuts would look something like this:
C:\tools\Prime95\Prime95.exe -A0
C:\tools\Prime95\Prime95.exe -A1

Launch the Prime0 and go to Options > Torture Test and Select Custom. If you only have 1GB or RAM then use 400 in the Memory to Use box(if you have 2GB RAM then select 800). Now launch the Prime1 shortcut and follow the same procedure. Now when you go to the task manager your should see both cpu's being used. I read these instructions somewhere but I cannot remember where I got them. I will post it if I remember.

[ElAguila]

anything higher than 2.595 it just bsod then reboots now matter what volts .i have a winnie that does the samething so i dont think burn will work

What voltage are you using? I am currently at 290*9 with 1.46v and sideeffects rev 2 bios. With this board I have the voltage at 1.425+5%. Also what revision are you using? My x2 3800 is the BH-E4 chip.

[DrJay]

LOL
No offence,, but man thats a mess :P

Is that hot glue?1?!

On that 1 pic of the booster it looks like theres a 1/4" of glue between the ram sink and the metal its mounted to? :P
If anything that HOLDS heat :P

And yeah crazy solder job :P

Yeah, that looks like glue on the booster and ram. I'm sure that helps heat transfer...

[msimax]

[msimax]

the glue doesnt hurt

[Xyus89]

sorry for repeating this.

yesterday Speedfan reported 41 stressed with toast and 28 idle
today it reports 34stressd and 28 idle.
I've been Priming/burning in my cpu allot so has it taken effect or is there something wrong with the temp sensors?

xyus
(with computers nothing happens by it's self so that's why I'm asking)

[Publ!k En3my]

Dear all,

I have flashed the BIOS 1.A (downloaded at MSI Global site) using WinFlash 1.76 to my MSI nForce 3 Ultra (MS-7025 revision 1). After flashing, I rebooted the machine. My computer didnt POST but a "long beep" happens.

Even I cleared the CMOS, the problem still occured. I unplugged all the power cable and waited for a while. I booted my machine up again, it can get into the window again. I have restarted the Window for serveral times and it were fine.

Anyway, I had decided to track this problem and it does still exist. Do you guys know what is my problem? Will the previous BIOS will help in this situation?

[ElAguila]

I think the furarred cpu temps are a product of the nf3 chipset in general. I had the same problem on the nf3 250 regardless of what board I used. I am currently running my 2x1024 sticks in slots 1 and 2. Has anyone determined whether slots 1 and 2 are any better or more stable at oc'ing that slots 3 and 4 or visa versa?

[sideeffect]

I only have problems with the temperatures when i dont have a cpu fan and a NB fan installed. Even though i dont use the cpu fan on my cpu just pluging a fan in there sorts it out.

[Arkangyl]

I havent seen this mentioned before so just FYIish

with my UTT timings of

2-2-2-8
2-2-2-5

default to a 2T command rate, kills bandwith. Just a headsup

2-3-3-8 stays T1, I'm gonna do some more testing now, if anyone knows a fix to this issue, please let me know

[sideeffect]

What bios you using Arkangyl. It defaults to 2T with a san diego or venice E6 cpu when in bios versions before 1.9. But you have a winchester so hmm.

there are 2 bios versions made by NFM that force 1T command maybe give them a try.

[Arkangyl]

I've tried 1.36 and 1.37 mod's (forget whose mod)

I'm 99% sure 1T has worked before because when borrowing some Micron 5B -G ram I had it at 3-3-3-8 265mhz and I was get 7500 mb/s bandwith which seems 1T to me.

Also Sandra says I'm running 1 channel

current setup

HTT :: 200mhz
2-2-2-5 1T
vDIMM = 3.3v rail mod
LTD = 5x
CPU = 9x
vCore = 1.5
vDIMM = auto (ought be 3.3v rail)
vAGP = 1.65
Spread Spec = off
PCI auto detect = on

Here's the Sandra output

SiSoftware Sandra

Benchmark Results
RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd iSSE2 : 5344 MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd iSSE2 : 5277 MB/s

Int Buff'd iSSE2 (Integer STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 5361MB/s
Scaling : 5367MB/s
Addition : 5329MB/s
Triad : 5321MB/s
Data Item Size : 16 byte(s)
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 84% (estimated)

Float Buff'd iSSE2 (Float STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 5361MB/s
Scaling : 5366MB/s
Addition : 5210MB/s
Triad : 5171MB/s
Data Item Size : 16 byte(s)
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 82% (estimated)

Performance Test Status
Run ID : MATT64 on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 4:15:22 AM
Memory Used by Test : 512MB
NUMA Support : No
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
SMT Test : No
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : P0
Page Size : 4kB
Use Large Memory Pages : No

Chipset 1
Model : Micro-Star International Co Ltd (MSI) ??? (00E1)
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 1005MHz (2010MHz data rate)
In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 8040MB/s (estimated)

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks

Chipset 2
Model : Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Athlon 64 / Opteron HyperTransport Technology Configuration
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 1005MHz (2010MHz data rate)
In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 8040MB/s (estimated)

Logical/Chipset 2 Memory Banks
Bank 0 : 512MB DDR-SDRAM 2.0-2-2-2CL 2CMD
Bank 1 : 512MB DDR-SDRAM 2.0-2-2-2CL 2CMD
Channels : 1
Bank Interleave : 2-way
Speed : 2x 200MHz (400MHz data rate)
Width : 128-bit
Maximum Memory Bus Bandwidth : 6400MB/s (estimated)

Features
(W)MMX Technology : Yes
SSE Technology : Yes
SSE2 Technology : Yes
SSE3 Technology : No
EMMX - Extended MMX Technology : Yes
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : No

Performance Tips
Notice 5008 : To change benchmarks, click Options.
Notice 5004 : Synthetic benchmark. May not tally with 'real-life' performance.
Notice 5006 : Only compare the results with ones obtained using the same version!
Tip 233 : Consider using the Win64 x64 version of SiSoftware Sandra.
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.

[sideeffect]

Bank 0 : 512MB DDR-SDRAM 2.0-2-2-2CL 2CMD
Bank 1 : 512MB DDR-SDRAM 2.0-2-2-2CL 2CMD

When sisoft sandra reports 2cmd its not refering to 1T or 2T. If you want to see if your in 1T or 2T use athlon 64 tweaker and it will say 2t timing disabled if your in 1t.

Also you can use everest or rmma to show your timing.

[FlyingHamster]

And i answered it about 10 mins after you sent it. Was yesterday i think didnt you get it?

Strange, I never got it. Could u PLZ resend it?

[sideeffect]

FlyingHamster - Theres a good guide in the readme that comes with the bios files on the msi website.

[Lestat]

sideeffect and syar -

I have now confirmed tha thte bios's you hacked is hat casued my video performance to go down the toilet.

after trying 3 different set of drivers. Sideeffects bios, Syars bios and the .36 Rev4 by NFM.... well guess what the 1.36 and 1.8 bios are the only bios's that allow my 6800 Ultra to get SOMEWHAT close to where it should be.
syar and SE bios = 4600-4800 in 3dmark 05
1.36 and 1.8 = 5700~5800 in 3dmark 05.

so maybe your not changing anything , maybe its MSI i dont know but i may get better memory overclocks but fellas i cant use this bios.

1)
i STILL cant use any add in IDE or SATA PCI card. it refuses to boot if i have a drive hooked to it.
2)
AGP bus is totally fubar'd very poor performance.
3)
and it just overall feels really slow compared to the others. maybe timings on something maybe sata rom ? whatever,,


so thanks again for you rwicked mods...

SE anychance you could take the 1.36 Rev 4 and give it the same memory timings you have for the 1.a0 bios ? the ones that give me nice clocks. ?

id like to see if THAT is whats causing it or if i can keep good agp performance and get better memory performance with your 1.0A bios timings.

It's worth a shot and maybe we can send MSI an email letting them know something isnt right with their bios.

[msimax]

well it looks like those gkills were holding me back i think there faulty put my trusty 5 year old bh5 im test at 2.808 at 1.47v with my x2 3800

[msimax]

i have up to 3.0ghz and my mb is starting to sing is that safe. i dont want a repeat of my gigabyte board

[sideeffect]

Lestat I really think those graphics card issues are either just you or quite rare. I sufferend no performance loss when going to 1.A bios.

I havnt made any changes to anything related to the AGP either so its a 1.A thing for you.

Also i havnt seen anyone else using 1.A bios complaining about graphics issues/slowdowns.

Now im not saying that the bios isnt causing the issues because it obviously is but its got to be something that doesnt effect everybody like IRQ placement, temperarture related slowdowns or bad settings.

Im using a 6800GT with the bios. 3dmark 2003 and 2005 scores are almost identical for me.

One thing i have noticed is that its slightly less aggresive on the agp bus but that means i can overclock the graphics card more. Like i was 410 mhz core on 1.8 bios and now im 425 mhz core on 1.A bios.

[Draxx]

Hey guys, how can I increase the chipset voltage on this board? I hear that raising AGP voltage from 1.5v ups the chipset voltage.

If this is the case, how much does it raise it by? Also whats a safe limit for the AGP card over 1.5v? (I have a 6800GT 128Mb version).

Thanks

[ElAguila]

What type of ide/sata card are you trying to use. I have 2 sil680 pci ide/raid cards and they run fine for me.

[sideeffect]

Made a ballistix version of my 1.A mod bios that should work best with Crucial Ballistix. It works better than any other bios with my ballistix so i hope its a common trate.

Working on a TCCD version next with help from CD1986 and his TCCD chips.

Edit - TCCD version is out and seems to be more stable than default settings by quite a bit