renzokuken, So when I did those stats earlier, that was pretty early in the game... now I get almost the same result with LBBLEs clocking slightly lower, statistically. BUT I only have 12 cbble samples, which isn't really a fair comparison. I have both a 3800 (CBBLE) and 3500 (LBBLE) and they oc the same, big difference I notice is that the 3800 runs slihgtly cooler, like 3C. So I think the LBBLE vs CBBLE doesn't matter as much as the next stepping code... and it seems the "XPAW"s are good clockers, so I would go with that CPAW, but also see if you can get the batch code, also seems to be a good indicator of silicon quality. Don't be surprised if you go through a few cpus thou