thanks to all on this thread, hats off to all the people who put the time in to help others. never joined a forum but XS seems the place to be. with that out of the road i have a gainward bliss 8800gt 1024mb golden sample. i used a pic from this thread and did the VGPU mod, stock volts was 1.1 and now has no problem up to 1.5V, i havnt needed to go over 1.5V as my best performance is at 824 core / 1000 mem / 2071 shader at 1.3V, volts jump up to 1.4V during 3D'06 (all average readings as im using a needle meter) temps are in the low to mid 50's using ATI tool test (all stock cooling) i shall post some pics over the next few days. thanks again awsome thread