Originally Posted by saaya
I expected the HD-5870 to be app on par with the HD-4870X2. Yes, CF-scaling is not an issue with one GPU, but who says doubling everything leads to double the performance? Therefore I'm quite pleased up to now, except for the price. BUT AMD is advertising features as well and seeing it's the only DX11-card out there I can understand why they priced them this way. I expect prices to improve soon.
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At least Asus Eah5850 has the 5ghz ones.
Also they have voltage tweak for core and mem!
Personnally i have never see an ATI card being good at overclocking at launch!
And for the price difference between 4870X2 and 5870 i think that feature ( Eyefinity, DX11, better power compsumption, etc...) have a cost
Anandtechs reviews are the best. Very nice card indeed. So does this mean that dual gpu is out of the equation?
We collected several thousand benchmark and game results into a single result chart which shows the relative performance of the various graphics card out there, compared to the newly arrived Radeon HD 5870. Techpowerup underclocked and disabled two SIMDs on their sample to match the specifications of the HD 5850, their result has also been added to the chart; and as you will see, the HD 5850 is on average ~7% faster than the GTX 285. The higher clocked and more powerful HD 5870 is ~10% slower than GTX 295, and 4% slower than their own HD 4870 X2. The HD 5870 is however the fastest single GPU out there now, besting the GTX 285 by almost 20%!
source: http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f...e-chart-66465/
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Last edited by jmke; 09-23-2009 at 05:16 AM.
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Synthetic HD 5850 represents a real HD 5850. Neither is faster/slower than the other. The only grey-area is the power consumptions, perf/W, and here, a synthetic HD 5850 is excluded.
What's more, we have another review slated for later today. http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpo...9&postcount=14
There is an error in that graph.
You confusing Nvidias old tech, and it is old and renamed tech, with new tech, brand new, the paint is still dropping from the stickers, the birds havent had time to settle down, the air is fresh and sweet,
get a grip with dx10.1 with dx11, and nvidia isnt even contending.
No confusion here.
Update: I stress to get everything ready so, the results for HD5870 and GTX295 changed places in the graph above. Until we can replace it, so be aware that the HD5870 is receiving the best results.
Last edited by gosh; 09-23-2009 at 05:05 AM.
im going to read a few more reviews, but it seems theres quite some variation for some reason... really odd... same hw, same software, same res, same drivers... but some people get notably diferent perf than others... 0_oI'm wondering where Lestat got those scores as well.
So what's the verdict: one 5870 or two 5850 as best price / perf?
tpu is 32bit, which might explain why they got notably diferent results...
xbit anand and hwcanuucks are on vista 64 or win7 64...
i also think at least some results in tpus db are outdated and that might explain diferent results as well...
and yes, price perf 5850CF seems to be the best...
for benching 4890 3x CF might be the same or close though...
i doubt 2gb will be faster, why should it? its not any faster for current gpus...
and i hope we will see better 3rd party heatsink soon as well...
i hope so... even with the 5850 being more than 20% faster than a 4890 on average, im really surprised to see a 5850 cost almost 100$ more... but prices seem to vary as well, originally it was 299$, then 279$ and now some mentioned 249$? i think its 279$ and 4890s can be had to 190$, so theres quite a gap there...
huh?Personnally i have never see an ATI card being good at overclocking at launch!
And for the price difference between 4870X2 and 5870 i think that feature ( Eyefinity, DX11, better power compsumption, etc...) have a cost
4870 and 4890 both oced well...
what were def clocks for 4890? 850mhz?
and they clocked to close to 1ghz on air... hows that bad ocing?
Last edited by saaya; 09-23-2009 at 05:09 AM.
5870 is almost 2x more efficient per watt. Price is good. I remember 7800 days when we paid $600+ for a high end card :/
Last edited by kiwi; 09-23-2009 at 05:08 AM.
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With the drivers used, performance is a bit dissapointing. With numbers over the table, this 5870 should beat easy the "old" 4870x2, and it canīt
you talk as if those days are over
what do you think the 5870x2 and gt300 are going to cost when they come out?
what review did you read?With the drivers used, performance is a bit dissapointing. With numbers over the table, this 5870 should beat easy the "old" 4870x2, and it canīt
check the xbitlabs review... it DOES beat the 4870x2 in several scenarios... check the graph at the end of the review and youll see its roughly on par with a 4870x2...
I think Anand's review has established that a 5870 is slower than a 295.
I'd never get a 295 over a 5870, but what I was stressing earlier that 5870 isn't going to be all-destructive for NVidia at the $400 range if they are able to reduce 295's prices so that they can be got for around $400 (instead of the $430-450 right now). This wasn't what we were made to expect from 5870 and I can't help but feel a little disappointed.
Yes, better performance per watt, single GPU, DX11... These are going to make ME get a 5870, but for the best FPS numbers, the fastest single card is still 295. I hoped otherwise.
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when can we buy them in the us
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4870 at launch TPU :
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/D...D_4870/24.html
4890 at launch TPU :The final overclocks of our card are 785 MHz core (5 % overclock) and 1150 MHz Memory (27.7% overclock).
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/S...D_4890/32.html
The final overclocks of our card are 925 MHz core (9% overclock) and 1110 MHz Memory (14% overclock).
While I don't know if this is the case, Mike from TPU has stated quite a few times that he uses in-game benchmarks for many games. This may have changed but the difference is that we use either walkthroughs in games that don't allow timedemos instead of the in-game benching tool in games like DoW, HawX, etc. Neither approach is "right" and both will give different results.
When it comes to timedemos, everyone uses different ones as well so parallels can't be drawn.
Finally there is this:
TPU:
NVIDIA: 186.18
ATI: Catalyst 9.6
HWC:
ATI's 9.8 and 9.9 drivers brought VERY good performance increases to the whole ATI lineup. Especially the HD 4870X2.ATI 9.9 WHQL
Nvidia 190.62 WHQL (w/ SLI V2 Patch)
The same goes for the increases brought on with the onset of Nvidia's 190-series drivers.
Just as an FYI, 18x-series drivers from Nvidia didn't support SLI in CoJ or DoW.
This is exactly why you need to read more than one review to get a broad picture regarding what the lay of the land really is.
Last edited by SKYMTL; 09-23-2009 at 05:38 AM.
I wonder if 5870CF is going to be faster than the 5870X2?
Anand, bit-tech, Hcanucks,....., and it canīt beat easy the 4870x2.
With same specs, better clocks, and without de handicap of crossfire, i expected better performance in all games. So, yes, the results with the drivers used is a bit dissapointing.
Well,i don't give a ratt's ass about the gamebenches they use.Never play those games anyways.I'm pretty sure it's a beast in the games i do plan on playing
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Read specs and see 232Gb/s 4870X2 and 150Gb/s 5870.
256bits bus huge bottleneck for 5870!
Feel Christmas 5890 with increase bus
Unlike some people, I am of the opinion that history has shown that new drivers do not increase the performance of a single chip card unless there are issues to begin with. Dual GPU cards? Yes, new drivers definately increase performance in existing games.
Where single GPU cards get performance increases is with new games that hadn't been optimized in past drivers or fixing errors with performance in current games. One example of an issue is the HD 5870's HawX DX10.1 performance. I am sure that will be fixed in future revisions.
Otherwise, I will put money on the fact that the HD 5870 will never beat the HD 4870X2 on a regular basis even with driver revisions. There is a substantial bandwidth gap between the two making equalized performance next to impossible.
Well,i don't give a ratt's ass about the gamebenches they use.Never play those games anyways.I'm pretty sure it's a beast in the games i do plan on playing
so is a TNT 2 Ultra , for the games I do plan on playing.
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Yeah yeah,you get the point
I plan on playing Dragon Age,Divinity:Ego Draconis(need to support the Belgian Developers lol)and Arcania/Risen...
For these games the 5870 is more then powerfull enough
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reading the anandtech review now...
CF in warhead sucks, a 5870 is notably faster than a 285 but 5870CF is barely ahead of 285SLI...
for anandtech the 5870 is up to 25% faster than a 4870x2? thats the highest ive seen so far in any review...
wutt? in fc2 anandtech has a 4870x2 do about the same as 5870CF???
and a single 5870 beats a 295 and kills a 4870???
sounds like 5870CF is again craptacular ...
but a 4870x2 notably beating a 295 and even 285SLI? thats really weird...
especially since a 4870 is notably slower than a 285 in their graphs too...
anandtechs FC2 results make me dizzy ^^
everything else looks a lot like on xbitlabs, 5870 is about the same as the 4870x2 and the 295 tends to be a tad faster... on xbitlabs the 295 has a bigger gap over the 5870 and 4870x2, thats the only diference between anandtech and xbitlabs so far... that plus some weird warhead and fc2 numbers
excellent conclusion on anandtech!
i couldnt agree more...
The easiest kind of product for us to write about is the kind that’s clearly superior to its competition.
The hardest kind to write about is the kind that’s stuck in the middle. For the 5870, we have the latter case.
Let’s be clear here: the 5870 is the single fastest single-GPU card we have tested, by a wide margin. Looking at its performance in today’s games, as a $379 card it makes the GTX 285 at its current prices ($300+) completely irrelevant. The price difference isn’t enough to make up for the performance difference, and NVIDIA also has to contend with the 5850, which should perform near the GTX 285 but at a price of $259. As is often the case with a new generation of cards, we’re going to see a shakeup here in the market as NVIDIA in particular needs to adjust to these new cards.
The catch however is that what we don’t have is a level of clear domination when it comes to single-card solutions. AMD was shooting to beat the GTX 295 with the 5870, but in our benchmarks that’s not happening. The 295 and the 5870 are close, perhaps close enough that NVIDIA will need to reconsider their position, but it’s not enough to outright dethrone the GTX 295. NVIDIA still has the faster single-card solution, although the $100 price premium is well in excess of the <10% performance premium.
Meanwhile AMD is retiring the 4870 X2, which ended up beating the 5870 enough that we would consider it a competitor to the 5870. However, you can’t consider it if you can’t buy it.
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Need new drivers for proper CF support it seems.
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saaya: It's hard to see you base your conclusions on a techpowerup review that used 6 gb of ram on a 32 bit system - or am I missing something here?
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