Windows 7 - What's your experience index?

[rickvtv6]

Isn't the test benchmarking the speed? Why would size have anything to do with it besides in you example tons of paging because of only 256MB ram. For 4GB versus 8GB I don't see why the huge jump.

why the huge jump? i can understand why cos i have to use a stupid page file!lol im gonna get hold of x64 cos of this reason: 4gb ram, 2gb video mem, 2gb remain, 1gb for o.s, leaves less than 1gb for gaming/apps, i got the famous running low on memory so i had to use the old pagefile to fix it but i hate page files, unless your running off a ssd setup. thats why i can understand why they jump so much, i really need to consider at least 6gb if i can find some more super talent 1800 somewhere.

[rickvtv6]

Thanks for the advice, am downloading the 32bit version now. I will still hang on to my creative cards for the time being.

i did like my xfi until it played up espec the i/o panel at the front look sexy, paid a bit for it too when it was released, but i think in my case its the heat thats damaged it, crammed between the 2 98gx2's that peak around 70c id sheet myself too lol. thats why the pci-e d2x is coming so its away from the cards (dunn how its gonna fit with the chipset fan on the 790iultra?) plus the xonars cheaper and great reviews.

[dan7777]

i dont think this should matter with wei but u running x32 or x64? and if you go to system properties it reads the 8gb where it states your processor speeds and wei?

Hi there mate im running windows 7 6801 and yes buddy it does show 8GB ram not sure why score is so slow!

[rge]

Memory scores make no sense because wei artificially limits your mem score to 5.5 unless you have more than 3gb available memory. See first wei perf log at 3x1gb with limit warning of 5.5 max, despite 19,831 mb/s performance of 3x1gb of ddr3 at 1600mhz. Even ran at 2000mhz and still 5.5 despite even higher. Yet my 6gb (3x2) mem at 1600mhz gets highest 7.9 score at 23,218 mb/s. last pic is from run with 6gb mem.

[Firestrider]

Memory scores make no sense because wei artificially limits your mem score to 5.5 unless you have more than 3gb available memory. See first wei perf log at 3x1gb with limit warning of 5.5 max, despite 19,831 mb/s performance of 3x1gb of ddr3 at 1600mhz. Even ran at 2000mhz and still 5.5 despite even higher. Yet my 6gb (3x2) mem at 1600mhz gets highest 7.9 score at 23,218 mb/s. last pic is from run with 6gb mem.

Based on your metrics your CPU is about 2.5 times faster than mine with a difference of only 0.5? I get a 7.2 subscore and you get a 7.7 subscore for CPU.

Can I see your graphics and disk metrics?

[rge]

Based on your metrics your CPU is about 2.5 times faster than mine with a difference of only 0.5? I get a 7.2 subscore and you get a 7.7 subscore for CPU.

Can I see your graphics and disk metrics?

yep...windows instead of giving the wei score, should just list raw measurments, more useful.

[zsamz_]

i'm running w7 64 i had to loosen up ram timings to get it stable compared to xp

[rickvtv6]

Hi there mate im running windows 7 6801 and yes buddy it does show 8GB ram not sure why score is so slow!

that is bizarre? i think it should be higher

[KELL5]

Memory scores make no sense because wei artificially limits your mem score to 5.5 unless you have more than 3gb available memory. See first wei perf log at 3x1gb with limit warning of 5.5 max, despite 19,831 mb/s performance of 3x1gb of ddr3 at 1600mhz. Even ran at 2000mhz and still 5.5 despite even higher. Yet my 6gb (3x2) mem at 1600mhz gets highest 7.9 score at 23,218 mb/s. last pic is from run with 6gb mem.

Yes, I mentioned aperature as being part of the formula.

Nice mem score. Look like 6GB at 23GB/s is enough for a 7.9

Can you possibly reduce your mem speed gradually and keep checking your throughput until your wei mem rating drops to 7.8 or less? I'd really like to see exactly what bandwidth is required for the 7.9.

No rush though....thanks in advance.

[rickvtv6]

can you open a cmd prompt window and type....

winsat mem

and hit return.....after a few seconds you'll get a MB/s readout.....what does your memory achieve?

mine sits around 6852.45, i dunno if this is average or crap cos of the 1800 timings?

- <MemoryScore>
<LimitApplied Friendly="Physical memory available to the OS is less than 3.0GB - limit mem score to 5.5" Relation="LT">3221225472</LimitApplied>
</MemoryScore>
</LimitsApplied>
</WinSPR>
- <Metrics>
- <CPUMetrics>
<CompressionMetric units="MB/s">339.60400</CompressionMetric>
<EncryptionMetric units="MB/s">178.48810</EncryptionMetric>
<CPUCompression2Metric units="MB/s">1051.23352</CPUCompression2Metric>
<Encryption2Metric units="MB/s">1561.98120</Encryption2Metric>
<CompressionMetricUP units="MB/s">84.26306</CompressionMetricUP>
<EncryptionMetricUP units="MB/s">44.74727</EncryptionMetricUP>
<CPUCompression2MetricUP units="MB/s">263.32401</CPUCompression2MetricUP>
<Encryption2MetricUP units="MB/s">391.80798</Encryption2MetricUP>
<DshowEncodeTime units="s">1.92198</DshowEncodeTime>

i dont have a clue what you go off to rate the mb/s of ram here?

[KELL5]

I get 6864.56 MB/s at 430mhz (860mhz 5,5,5,18,2t) and 7201.41 MB/s at 533mhz (1066mhz 5,5,5,18,2t)

[rickvtv6]

I get 6864.56 MB/s at 430mhz (860mhz 5,5,5,18,2t) and 7201.41 MB/s at 533mhz (1066mhz 5,5,5,18,2t)

thats on 2gb yeh? im playing with the timings atm, most i got so far is a 300mb/s increase.

will the amount affect the benchmark? or is it purely off overall speed on all dimms?

can you tell me is it worth dropping to around the 1500mhz mark to get 1T timing over 2T im getting around 7150mb/s with these settings: tCL-8 tRCD-6 tRP-6 tRAS-15 CMD-2T tRRD-1 tRC-1 tWR-5 tWTR-16 tFAW-1 tREF-auto(7.7ns) tRFC-auto(100). Oh yeh, and 1.9v

and with p1 and p2 settings (which xfx neglect to mention what this actually does) on auto i get around 6900, with them on enabled i get around 7100mb/s best was 7442.88

[KELL5]

yeah sorry mate, I meant to say this is with 2x1GB dimms yes.

going from 2gb to 4gb will effect your wei rating in a positive manner. 4gb of memory will score higher wei rating than 2gb if timings are the same. If the 4gb (4x1gb or 2x2gb) have higher latency and/or looser timings than the 2gb then the score may reflect this.

Each time you gain in wei from aperature the gain can be reduced if timings are higher since latency is increased and operations per second goes down.

I wish I knew precisely what the formula is.

edit...

can you tell me is it worth dropping to around the 1500mhz mark to get 1T timing over 2T im getting around 7150mb/s with these settings: tCL-8 tRCD-6 tRP-6 tRAS-15 CMD-2T tRRD-1 tRC-1 tWR-5 tWTR-16 tFAW-1 tREF-auto(7.7ns) tRFC-auto(100). Oh yeh, and 1.9v

Best way to tell is to run a few dif benchmarks with each setting. Say winrar bench (open winrar and hit alt+b) for example....Everest cache and mem bench....and perhaps NUCLEARUS, aswell as any others you like. This will give you a better idea of the performance of each set of timings. So long as you don't lose too many Mhz then I'd say 1t would probably perform better.

[rickvtv6]

yeah sorry mate, I meant to say this is with 2x1GB dimms yes.

going from 2gb to 4gb will effect your wei rating in a positive manner. 4gb of memory will score higher wei rating than 2gb if timings are the same. If the 4gb (4x1gb or 2x2gb) have higher latency and/or looser timings than the 2gb then the score may reflect this.

Each time you gain in wei from aperature the gain can be reduced if timings are higher since latency is increased and operations per second goes down.

I wish I knew precisely what the formula is.

edit...



Best way to tell is to run a few dif benchmarks with each setting. Say winrar bench (open winrar and hit alt+b) for example....Everest cache and mem bench....and perhaps NUCLEARUS, aswell as any others you like. This will give you a better idea of the performance of each set of timings. So long as you don't lose too many Mhz then I'd say 1t would probably perform better.

thnx heaps ill give it a bash prob tomorrow. with the timings i optimized them to above got no change in wei

[Firestrider]

I get 10GB/s with 5-5-5-18-24-2T timings with 4x1GB sticks at 400 mhz.

[KELL5]

I get 10GB/s with 5-5-5-18-24-2T timings with 4x1GB sticks at 400 mhz.

is that your winsat mem bandwidth or another bench?

what does wei rate your memory at?

<<curious

[rickvtv6]

I get 10GB/s with 5-5-5-18-24-2T timings with 4x1GB sticks at 400 mhz.

i cant run duel channel on my mainboard with these modules if that makes much diff?

[KELL5]

i cant run duel channel on my mainboard with these modules if that makes much diff?

no DC!!!!!

that is a massive factor mate. Why no DC mode?

[Firestrider]

is that your winsat mem bandwidth or another bench?

what does wei rate your memory at?

<<curious

I get 5.9 because it limits my score to 5.9 because I have less than 4 GB of ram on a 64-bit OS. IIRC it gave me a higher score on 32-bit windows 7.

Yeah, this is the winsat memory bench.

[Firestrider]

i cant run duel channel on my mainboard with these modules if that makes much diff?

Dual channel will double your bandwidth over single channel. It's like going from a 64-bit bus to a 128-bit bus. Triple channel would give a 192-bit bus.

[rickvtv6]

no DC!!!!!

that is a massive factor mate. Why no DC mode?

lol i didnt know it made that much diff? ok ill give it a go, i did try it not long ago but it caused a few lockups.

xfx say its not supported for some reason, only banks 0,2 or something instead of 1,2

EDIT

i dont think it should matter what order they are in as long as they are in duel channel mode right? its increased to around 8600mb/s... i wasnt sure to expect around 14gb/s?

[KELL5]

It should be banks 1 & 3 for DC mode on that mobo (I think). It has to support dual channel...it's a standard. In DC mode you may need to use 2t cmd rate.....I'm unsure as I've never messed with that mobo.

You should definately pursue DC mode though as the guy above said, it'll provide a huge increase in bandwidth even if you need to take a speed hit..

[rickvtv6]

It should be banks 1 & 3 for DC mode on that mobo (I think). It has to support dual channel...it's a standard. In DC mode you may need to use 2t cmd rate.....I'm unsure as I've never messed with that mobo.

You should definately pursue DC mode though as the guy above said, it'll provide a huge increase in bandwidth even if you need to take a speed hit..

that what i had them in before with 7600. they are in 2,3 (order 0,2,1,3 on the board) im d/l the manual now as i dont have it on hand.

duel channel mad no diff to wei, still 5.5

[Firestrider]

that what i had them in before with 7600. they are in 2,3 (order 0,2,1,3 on the board) im d/l the manual now as i dont have it on hand.

duel channel mad no diff to wei, still 5.5

How much memory are you using? On a 32-bit Windows 7? I'm pretty sure you have a limit applied.

Look to see if your memory bandwidth went up in your recent assessment.

[KELL5]

Look to see if your memory bandwidth went up in your recent assessment.

firestrider beat me to it lol

I was gonna say, has DC mode effected your winsat mem bandwidth or is it the same as before in single channel?