Enzotech-LUNA CPU waterblock

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[Migi06]

Bundy does not test CPU only loops which you really need for medium to high restriction blocks like the GTZ, Supreme. He has decent testing equipment and gets the most out of it. The only piece of equipment I don't like is the MO-Ra 2, it's a condenser type heat exchanger that is inefficient and it has more turns than Nürburgring which is bad for flow. His tests do show what the end user will roughly get if they decide to use that particular hardware though. Around here, when a test is done for a block, the only block in the loop should be the one being tested, this gives you uncorrupted data on that block. You don't have to worry that some other block has dropped the flow to a point that has possibly affected the results negitively. Most ppl that are worried about every last will degree have 2 separate loops for this very reason and value the single block only reviews greatly. Here's Martin's last test with 16 CPU blocks, note how the temp results are very different for the Supreme and OCZ from Bundy's, the gap between them is much wider in Martin's. This is because he had enough pressure to sustain a proper flow rate for the Supreme whereas the OCZ doesn't benefit as much from pressure.

Also his CPU is Dual core wich can get different results too and I dont know was the CPU lapped or not (If not then stepped base should be better)...

[Waterlogged]

Final Off-topic:
HAHAHA! I messed up my cable sleeving BIG TIME! I've only been running @ 5V for almost a year Wow, it speeded up now, and it seems that there were a lot of air in the radiator left...

I'm surprised it ran at all, I didn't think it would start that low. Bet your temps drop a little.

[AndreaBZ]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=49

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=206542

[lexusxxx]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=49

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=206542



I considered as Rev.A the enzotech Luna tested by Nexthardware with the best nozzle.

What of these three nozzles is the best? for the core i7? The first with it is left, the second or the third?

[headala]

What's the difference between the Rev A and original? They looked about the same to me

[AndreaBZ]

What's the difference between the Rev A and original? They looked about the same to me

http://www.enzotechnology.com/luna.htm

1,5° !

[AndreaBZ]

What of these three nozzles is the best? for the core i7? The first with it is left, the second or the third?

I do not know.......
Next hardware Defines the best nozzle as ..."straight" ?

[headala]

http://www.enzotechnology.com/luna.htm

1,5° !

Yeah, I saw their performance data, but what is the physical difference?

[Waterlogged]

http://www.enzotechnology.com/luna.htm

1,5° !

I saw that graph earlier and to me, it's totally worthless. They show nothing more than the hardware cooled and temps/flow rate achieved...where is the data of what equipment was used to do the cooling besides the Luna?...What were ambients for the tests?...Are any of those tests using those nozzles?

Damn it...just when I think I'm done with it, this topic keeps sucking me back in!

[Fragger]

I saw that graph earlier and to me, it's totally worthless.

No data is "worthless", take from it what you will.
I get the feeling no test could satisfy you.
You need to chill and stop bashing every test, its really not cool.

[AndreaBZ]

I saw that graph earlier and to me, it's totally worthless. They show nothing more than the hardware cooled and temps/flow rate achieved...where is the data of what equipment was used to do the cooling besides the Luna?...What were ambients for the tests?...Are any of those tests using those nozzles?

Damn it...just when I think I'm done with it, this topic keeps sucking me back in!

I do not know what to say.... The above is a chart published by "Enzotech"
http://www.enzotechnology.com/luna.htm


Instead this is :
Nexthardware test ....
http://www.nexthardware.com/recensio...a/142_1178.htm
http://www.nexthardware.com/recensio...a/142_1179.htm
http://www.nexthardware.com/recensio...a/142_1180.htm

Confirms the chart published by "Enzotech".

[Waterlogged]

No data is "worthless", take from it what you will.
I get the feeling no test could satisfy you.
You need to chill and stop bashing every test, its really not cool.

Au contraire, mon frère

Just look through any of Martin's, mcoffey's, skinnee's, nikhsub1's, or Petra's tests/reviews and I'm sure you'll see me ask a question or two but I don't remember ever questioning the results. Heck, I even had 3 posts in Gabe's "informal review" and they were mostly OT. The only tests I question are the ones with questionable results.

I do not know what to say.... The above is a chart published by "Enzotech"
http://www.enzotechnology.com/luna.htm


Instead this is :
Nexthardware test ....
http://www.nexthardware.com/recensio...a/142_1178.htm
http://www.nexthardware.com/recensio...a/142_1179.htm
http://www.nexthardware.com/recensio...a/142_1180.htm

Confirms the chart published by "Enzotech".

Sorry, vkbms's test, in my eyes, does not confirm Enzo's graphs. He posts delta temps, not actual CPU temps. What exactly is the difference between the Luna and Luna rev. A? Is it something internally?....or is it just the addition of some nozzle inserts? If it's just nozzles, that alone makes the block better in most cases and is hardly note worthy in the way Enzo is presenting that information, more of a P.T. Barnum tactic if you ask me.

It would be nice if vkbms would drop in here and help dispel some of the hype/myths/rumors that apparently surround this block.

[NaeKuh]

Naekuh heatkiller version 666.

available in stores soon!



can we all just along?

[ElMoIsEviL]

Au contraire, mon frère

Just look through any of Martin's, mcoffey's, skinnee's, nikhsub1's, or Petra's tests/reviews and I'm sure you'll see me ask a question or two but I don't remember ever questioning the results. Heck, I even had 3 posts in Gabe's "informal review" and they were mostly OT. The only tests I question are the ones with questionable results.



Sorry, vkbms's test, in my eyes, does not confirm Enzo's graphs. He posts delta temps, not actual CPU temps. What exactly is the difference between the Luna and Luna rev. A? Is it something internally?....or is it just the addition of some nozzle inserts? If it's just nozzles, that alone makes the block better in most cases and is hardly note worthy in the way Enzo is presenting that information, more of a P.T. Barnum tactic if you ask me.

It would be nice if vkbms would drop in here and help dispel some of the hype/myths/rumors that apparently surround this block.

Well I've been running the Luna Rev. A for a few days now and so far it's showing lower temps than my Swiftech GTZ with a Core i7 920.

I don't really need anymore proof than my own eyes. The tests shown here seem to be right in-line with what I, Malik and any other person who bought the block have seen.

Believe what you want.

[Waterlogged]

Well I've been running the Luna Rev. A for a few days now and so far it's showing lower temps than my Swiftech GTZ with a Core i7 920.

I don't really need anymore proof than my own eyes. The tests shown here seem to be right in-line with what I, Malik and any other person who bought the block have seen.

Believe what you want.

I don't believe your testing.. (sorry, I just felt an urge to return the favor)

With or w/o nozzles? If with, which 1? Pump, rad? Single or multi block loop? How much is it beating the GTZ in your case?

[AndreaBZ]

Sorry, vkbms's test, in my eyes, does not confirm Enzo's graphs. He posts delta temps, not actual CPU temps. What exactly is the difference between the Luna and Luna rev. A? Is it something internally?....or is it just the addition of some nozzle inserts? If it's just nozzles, that alone makes the block better in most cases and is hardly note worthy in the way Enzo is presenting that information, more of a P.T. Barnum tactic if you ask me.

It would be nice if vkbms would drop in here and help dispel some of the hype/myths/rumors that apparently surround this block.

Of course, the difference is proportional to Watts

Watt Next hardware 126
flow rate l/h 300
Enzotech LUNA Stock C°/W=0,1544
Enzotech LUNA + best nozzle ( rev.A ? ) C°/W=0,1389

Difference C°/W=0,0155------
Difference at 126 watt=1,95°, at 200 watt= 3,10°.

[Zehnsucht]

Are you using only three points to extrapolate a polynomial graph?

[Vapor]

Looks like it

[Zehnsucht]

It's pictures like that which makes me doubt the self-proclaimed experts.

Anyone who have tried experimentally to determine the gravitational acceleration or a certain spring constant only by sampling in certain time frames realizes that three samples is WAAAY to little to draw any conclusions when dealing with (k*x^n+m) functions.

[NaeKuh]

Anyone who have tried experimentally to determine the gravitational acceleration or a certain spring constant only by sampling in certain time frames realizes that three samples is WAAAY to little to draw any conclusions when dealing with (k*x^n+m) functions.

And only 1% of the readers in this thread will understand what your talking about on this post.

but i agree with ya.

[AndreaBZ]

Are you using only three points to extrapolate a polynomial graph?

Three points are sufficient.
For the type of equation (curve) that I use
(Not a polynomial)

[Zehnsucht]

Three points are sufficient.
For the type of equation (curve) that I use
(Not a polynomial)

You could be right, it's quite possible it's not a poly function. My bad.
I still believe you need more than three points to describe a system which is not linear.

Out of curiosity, what is the equation?

[AndreaBZ]

You could be right, it's quite possible it's not a poly function. My bad.
I still believe you need more than three points to describe a system which is not linear.

Out of curiosity, what is the equation?

.......... polynomial .......... ??



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.......... polynomial .......... ??



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Have you calculated error bars for that graph?