AMD Shows Deneb (Phenom II) pictures of 6.2GHz CPUz etc

[Shintai]

Core i7's static PMOS is quite voltage tolerant too, just that it didn't matter that much probably because the uncore section is a powerhog anyway.

Lostcircuits measured it I think and got 44W for the uncore alone.

They didnt measure anything. They took max values and made a dumb conclusion from that. Its abit like saying a 230V/10A outlet always pumps out 2300W nomatter what you plug in.

http://www.lostcircuits.com/mambo//i...1&limitstart=3

[Charles Wirth]

A quick IP search on you shows that you have been banned twice before for the same antagonistic behavior.

You dont have to walk on eggshells but showing respect is to be expected.

As far as people leaving, its just you.

I don't see why industry reps need such kid-gloves?

I mean, when people argue all over these forums mods don't step in unless it gets really testy, but why does everybody need to walk on eggshells when it's drwho??? Even review sites take pains to emphasize that their editorial content is independent of any manufacturer, so why would a mere discussion forum go out of its way to self-censor criticism of drwho? Why do people get banned for exuberance when talking to this fellow? Why do we need to be afraid of speaking freely when an Intel marketing guy joins a thread?

Go ahead and ban me, plenty of people have left xtremesystems in disgust already.

[Hornet331]

They didnt measure anything. They took max values and made a dumb conclusion from that. Its abit like saying a 230V/10A outlet always pumps out 2300W nomatter what you plug in.

http://www.lostcircuits.com/mambo//i...1&limitstart=3

indeed, they even mention in there articel themself, that intel said no commercial available software is able to utilize all parts of the cpu at once, so that 210W figure is just a (fictive) worse case.

It would be the same if they would use the AMD Max power specs.
I/O is rated at ~7W, NB somewhere around 23W and the highest IDDmax i have seen is 106A, but amd reated every TDP segemt on its own, intel on the other hand only lists the max possible for the whole family.

So if you take the worse cases:
30W uncore part
106A*1,25V=132.5W
--------------------------
162.5W at a max frequency of 2.6ghz

add a higher frequency and amd would be in the same range as intel.... worse case figures are useless.

[Rammsteiner]

indeed, they even mention in there articel themself, that intel said no commercial available software is able to utilize all parts of the cpu at once, so that 210W figure is just a (fictive) worse case.

In best case it's only 0W

[clonez]

time for the banhammer lol
though, there have been far more worse than him

b TT
i want my pII, desperately *jikes*
4ghz is enough for me (and very good idle power consumptions)

badly ported games, the time of your stuttering will end (at least for a short while)

[Leeghoofd]

But why do you ask that question since I only took one slight look at your rig to think that was a weird question coming from you, especially on this forum

Although I'd at least wait for AM3 boards to be out before making a jump from skt 775, AM2+ ain't dead yet either but as said, ain't making a lot of sense with AM3 being around the corner.

I think the point is that no one would make a lateral move to these chips, however if they were running an older chip and they now have the choice between AMD and Intel as we use to, they would go with AMD. Usually the costs associated with building an AMD system are less than an Intel system and not everyone is going to shell out between $700 to $900 to get into the I7's.

Yeah that's why I meant in fact, I can see that some AM2+ users will get some new life... I just hope it performs... sadly for AMD not many high performance Intel S775 users will jump on Phenom II ( unless they got some more nice surprises in the sleeve )

Let's hope that AMD puts the CPU's out at very competitive prices... as many might still be tempted to use S775.

Looking from my point of view (hardware wise) I just might replace the Striker to mess with one of these... just to have something new

Will there be much gain with AM3 over AM2+ ( I lost track of AMD innovations long time ago) performance wise ?

[Hornet331]

Will there be much gain with AM3 over AM2+ ( I lost track of AMD innovations long time ago) performance wise ?

Amd promised a 3-5% gain with the switch to DDR3 form DDR2, but tbh i dont belive this. We didn't saw any appreciable increasments from DDR to DDR2, on intel it was even worse from DDR2 to DDR3. Bandwidth playes an underpart for Desktop apps.

[dinos22]

wow this thread is going off lol

i look forward to testing some of this gear soon with results published after NDA expires of course

The problem is that he's doing it while being childish about AMD. Also I have some very reliable sources that state that there's a lot of things about Nehalem that he's not telling you. Ironically, there's more things "wrong" with the Intel Nehalem demo sponsored by DrWho than AMD's demo. If anything, he's giving Intel a bad name as far as publicity is concerned.

outch!!!!

i really hope that you guys dont chase away Francois off XS as he is a real character heheh

[Tiridum]

Amd promised a 3-5% gain with the switch to DDR3 form DDR2, but tbh i dont belive this. We didn't saw any appreciable increasments from DDR to DDR2, on intel it was even worse from DDR2 to DDR3. Bandwidth playes an underpart for Desktop apps.

more cores = more bandwidth needed, no?
because each core is fighting for it

i really hope that you guys dont chase away Francois off XS as he is a real character heheh

We don't want to chase him away, but his childish appearance and style are annoying most of the time, especially with this olympic spirit joke as i pointed out earlier

[dread77]

I can link more than a dozen posts from Francois which have been more than helpful regarding Intel CPUs. So, I do not think that anyone from the community would like to chase him away from XS.
He is an Intel executive and he is payed to support his own work and efforts. That's all he has been doing.

This is a PhenomII thread, so let's stick to that guys.

[Calmatory]

This is a PhenomII thread, so let's stick to that guys.

This is a PhenmII thread, so let's keep the arrogant frenchman off from here.

[Hornet331]

more cores = more bandwidth needed, no?
because each core is fighting for it

Your mixing up intercore bandwidth with memory bandwidth... and for what do they need to fight?

For 95% of desktop apps a C2 with a "antique " fsb is enough. The only desktop apps that benefit for massive memory bandwidth are file archivers and encryption.

[Rammsteiner]

Yeah that's why I meant in fact, I can see that some AM2+ users will get some new life... I just hope it performs... sadly for AMD not many high performance Intel S775 users will jump on Phenom II ( unless they got some more nice surprises in the sleeve )

Let's hope that AMD puts the CPU's out at very competitive prices... as many might still be tempted to use S775.

Looking from my point of view (hardware wise) I just might replace the Striker to mess with one of these... just to have something new

Will there be much gain with AM3 over AM2+ ( I lost track of AMD innovations long time ago) performance wise ?

Ah that way. Yeah, AMD platform is cheaper, but it ain't if you move from a skt 775 just for Deneb and get the same performance

Amd promised a 3-5% gain with the switch to DDR3 form DDR2, but tbh i dont belive this. We didn't saw any appreciable increasments from DDR to DDR2, on intel it was even worse from DDR2 to DDR3. Bandwidth playes an underpart for Desktop apps.

I dont know really. 5% is quite a bit of a jump. However, did AMD said this or FUD?

Anyway, I dont think it's comparable to Intel's move from DDR2 to DDR3. There's a reason i7 uses QPI

[Tiridum]

Your mixing up intercore bandwidth with memory bandwidth... and for what do they need to fight?

well let's assume a cpu has 10GB/s of bandwidth available, so each core (on average) has 2.5GB/s in mulithreaded apps, i this enough to feed the core with data?

[Shintai]

well let's assume a cpu has 10GB/s of bandwidth available, so each core (on average) has 2.5GB/s in mulithreaded apps, i this enough to feed the core with data?

Thats very unlikely. Plus there is the caches to remove external bandwidth demand.

[bldegle2]

LOL is about all I can say......

All this bickering, if you want more validation there will be others from Extreme attending the Chicago and NY events....as far as the 'cherry picking' goes, who knows for sure (wink, wink).....I only reported what was disclosed at the event.....even though I was impressed, just like many have said here, when the cpu's hit the street, that is when the real truth will be known, until then................whatever.....

And, whether Intel or AMD is putting on an event like this, don't you think they would make sure that they didn't have a dog performer in da house, LOL, jeesh...take everything with small grains of salt....

What thoruoughly impressed me is the PhenomII clocking link contained in this thread showing a SB600 chipset MB (DDR2), 4.1+gig on air, making a switchover as simple as swaping cpu's and making sure the bios is righteous for 45nm.....

It will happen soon enough, I am too stupid to make things up, and lack the technical savy to keep up with the super geeks here....

but I am a clocker through and through and tried to report stuffs as I saw them, no puffing added except for some personal stash, LOL...

Clock on you freaks.....

laterzzzzzz.................

[Donnie27]

When AMD have something good then they will show it public!
Only a MORON would show something not so good in public.
If its sux then you create hype instead, its all about getting money!
This is the way AMD works and it never fails and you know that.
But people "love" amd so much cuz they are smaller then Intel and can fool pretty much anyone with this nonsense.
Looks like a religion to me.
You get fooled and you get angry but one year later you forgotten that and this time they sure is no BS and you help with the hype again just to get fooled again, and you do this over and over and over and over again.It looks so damn stupid! Can you understand why people leave AMD and go to Intel ? Not only for speed but you know what you get.

1 month to release so this product is done and can be put in any system and showed worldwide and let any OC have fun with it to get everyone to change their plans and get awful lots of cash from investors.

BUT you got one corner from a tiny little screenshot instead.
Its to damn easy to fool people this days..

You know them well!

Phenom II will get AMD back in the Game. The problem is that if it is only good, when most fans are over hyping it as GREAT, it looks like Phenom II failed or didn't live up to something. Something that Phenom II shouldn't have been in the first place. This forum isn't Intel biased and just because AMD and or Phenom II is mentioned in the NEWS Section, doesn't mean only Positive News or Propaganda is allowed. Same goes for Intel. If you guys want only good touchy feely things about Phenom II, there's a sub forum for such stuff

Dr. Who isn't the only Intel and employee here, no I'am NOT one LOL!
One day in Dec-05 I came here and the News section a 32 visitors. The Intel section had 13 visitors and the AMD section had 233. Most days that's what this forum looked like. Conroe changed that and it is not impossible for Phenom II it to change again. When or if AMD regains enthusiasts attention, MOST of us will buy from them again BTW, the forum will reflect it. That's a true comeback and not a made up one by informal, rammsteiner and other AMD fans (to him AMD is always #1).

I, just me, thinks folks feeling many here should be loyal no matter what are sadly mistaken. I like AMD but wouldn't piss on their fans to put them out if they were on fire. I could buy 20 Phenom IIs and that *view wouldn't change.

[Chad Boga]

You know them well!

Phenom II will get AMD back in the Game.

There is a couple of interesting aspects to this.

1.What Intel does on Penryn pricing.
2.The pricing and competitiveness of Lynnefield

I agree that Phenom II should help AMD out, but I wonder by how much and for how long?

Do AMD have anything to go head to head with Lynnefield in H2 09?

[ryboto]

There is a couple of interesting aspects to this.

1.What Intel does on Penryn pricing.
2.The pricing and competitiveness of Lynnefield

I agree that Phenom II should help AMD out, but I wonder by how much and for how long?

Do AMD have anything to go head to head with Lynnefield in H2 09?

I thought they had Istanbul planned for late 09, or has that changed? I haven't kept up to date with the ever evolving roadmaps.

[Chad Boga]

I thought they had Istanbul planned for late 09, or has that changed? I haven't kept up to date with the ever evolving roadmaps.

Is Istanbul the 6 core CPU?

That would help them in server, but not do a lot for desktop.

[ryboto]

Is Istanbul the 6 core CPU?

That would help them in server, but not do a lot for desktop.

Well, they've got a lot of desktop variants planned around K10, there's two types of tri-cores, two types of quad cores, and then there's dual cores. I don't know much about Lynnefield, or how competitive it will be in the value/mainstream market.

[informal]

I thought they had Istanbul planned for late 09, or has that changed? I haven't kept up to date with the ever evolving roadmaps.

That's correct.It could change though,but Istanbul should be Q3/Q4 2009.

[Rammsteiner]

Phenom II will get AMD back in the Game.

I was sort of wondering when they left. Although K10 didnt do as good as C2 numbers wise, the move from K8 to K10 was one huge improvement over the tweaking options and this was one thing where C2 just sucked at. But obviously that ain't a legit argument by certain people on this forum.

Well, not my loss really

The problem is that if it is only good, when most fans are over hyping it as GREAT, it looks like Phenom II failed or didn't live up to something. Something that Phenom II shouldn't have been in the first place.

So you're listening to overhyping posts then? Oh man, ironic

Besides that, I remember this time, like a few months ago, about some new platform which got overhyped pretty hard. Weird thing is, that seems to be a non-issue at all then. But hey, must be because as you said 'This forum isn't Intel biased'. But well, some people obviously are which is up to them, I have no problems with that really

Dr. Who isn't the only Intel and employee here, no I'am NOT one LOL!

LOL! You wish

That's a true comeback and not a made up one by informal, rammsteiner and other AMD fans (to him AMD is always #1).

Excuse me? A made up comeback? It almost sounds like that funny tale about green blood

Also your selective memory seems to forget I had like a 1200 Euro i7 system almost on my doorstep 2 weeks ago. But I understand what I did wrong then, I should have ordered a 965EE instead

I like AMD but wouldn't piss on their fans to put them out if they were on fire.

You mean I'd rather die in a fire then have you to come save me, dont turn it around

[Macadamia]

Is Istanbul the 6 core CPU?

That would help them in server, but not do a lot for desktop.

What would Lynnfield bring to the desktop then?

On the other hand, now that Deneb has made the IPC gap closer to Yorkfield, the E8XXX is going to have a hard time. AMD's new X3s are not like their old (more or less) pathetic attempts. This time it's much stronger (in terms of IPC and clock), priced probably rightly, and even has an enthusiast oriented version to butt heads with the E8600, which it will be cheaper against.


The E7XXX is a tough one to handle. It has only 3MB of cache (which does take away some % of performance), but AMD's K10.5 dualcore has no L3, just 2*1MB of L2 (at least this is fast).

E7400's the top model now. 2.8Ghz. AMD probably can counter with a 3Ghz dual core SKU. If Intel goes to E7500, AMD just needs to shift to 3.2. Nowadays on 45nm, they no longer have any big difficulties to not go aggressive on dual core stock clocks, which will be what most OEMs will use.

E5XXX is an easy sweep. Again, dual core K10.5 speedbinned.

[Chad Boga]

What would Lynnfield bring to the desktop then?

Cheaper motherboards for one, cheaper CPU, and maybe even higher clockspeeds(but that is just a possibility, Intel has been quite coy on clockspeeds for Lynnfield)

On the other hand, now that Deneb has made the IPC gap closer to Yorkfield, the E8XXX is going to have a hard time. AMD's new X3s are not like their old (more or less) pathetic attempts. This time it's much stronger (in terms of IPC and clock), priced probably rightly, and even has an enthusiast oriented version to butt heads with the E8600, which it will be cheaper against.

What clockspeeds will they be released at?

E7400's the top model now. 2.8Ghz. AMD probably can counter with a 3Ghz dual core SKU. If Intel goes to E7500, AMD just needs to shift to 3.2. Nowadays on 45nm, they no longer have any big difficulties to not go aggressive on dual core stock clocks, which will be what most OEMs will use.

E5XXX is an easy sweep. Again, dual core K10.5 speedbinned.

You will love this response, but with the way they ignored Dual Core with K10, I remain somewhat sceptical about their Dual Core offerings with K10.5, I would like to see something a bit more concrete.

Additionally they may be up against the Dual Core variant of Nehalem.