Intel to Retaliate to AMD Phenom II Overclocking Feat, Plans Demonstration at CES '09

[Zucker2k]

Im sorry for the pessimism Francois, but this is not the case from the evidence we have seen on the Internet regarding i7 clocks.

I dont know if it is the board that Charles was using that is making the difference, but many extremely talented peeps in the overclocking communities have been playing with i7 CPU's yet NONE OF THEM have even come close to the results yourself and Charles have shown.

I think this is peeps main concern.

Provide a reason why this is so, and peeps may well feel more relaxed....

But that is exactly the point he is making Did you even bother to read through the thread? Also, others have reached 4.7Ghz+ on retail chips (air), to use XS member, Informal's math, that is about 7% difference between a cherry picked chip and a retail chip.

[mongoled]

But that is exactly the point he is making Did you even bother to read through the thread? Also, others have reached 4.7Ghz+ on retail chips (air), to use XS member, Informal's math, that is about 7% difference between a cherry picked chip and a retail chip.

Yes, I have read the whole thread, and many others like it on the Internet. Others have NOT reached 5Ghz on air, not even close. Im not interested in the calculations of others, so please dont assert this on me.

All I have been looking at is how close other talented overclockers have been to the results Charles and Francois have posted and there are NONE.

So please drop the as it is not needed and is definately not appreciated

[Aberration]

I dont think you get the point mongoled.

[Miss Banana]

dont worry u dont sound rude.. just.. intentionally.. nvm
hello!? - U are on ur 2nd account

How do you know this isn't my 5th account?

I guess it is to be expected that as the launch of phenom II gets closer, both the AMD and Intel camp will try to get as much attention as possible with whatever marketing they can throw at us.
I just wish there would be a bit more clarity about whether or not the AMD cpu's on the demo were cherry picked and up to what point.

[Zucker2k]

How do you know this isn't my 5th account?

I guess it is to be expected that as the launch of phenom II gets closer, both the AMD and Intel camp will try to get as much attention as possible with whatever marketing they can throw at us.
I just wish there would be a bit more clarity about whether or not the AMD cpu's on the demo were cherry picked and up to what point.

For somebody who is more about price/performance and teh introduction of locked features into the mainstream segment (ala BE phenoms), I really wish AMD picked 2 and 3 random chips and benched them, but that'll be tantamount to living in a fool's paradise. That's just not the way things work. Your statement about "up to what point;" may be the best case scenario for AMD. Let's hope for the sake of competition that those are not the absolute best.

[informal]

But that is exactly the point he is making Did you even bother to read through the thread? Also, others have reached 4.7Ghz+ on retail chips (air), to use XS member, Informal's math, that is about 7% difference between a cherry picked chip and a retail chip.

Are you talking about 24/7 ready/stable settings or one of those "OMGBBQ i ran SP1M and it's stable,look at my winner score!1! ?Because on air i haven't seen much past 4.1Ghz stable(stable in a sense it can sit like that 24/7 constantly and run full load across 4 cores like that).Don't forget that at those OC clocks and overvolt,your core i7 draws massive amounts of power(like >350W for the CPU alone;the temps. would be 83+C on H20).

[Zucker2k]

Are you talking about 24/7 ready/stable settings or one of those "OMGBBQ i ran SP1M and it's stable,look at my winner score!1! ?Because on air i haven't seen much past 4.1Ghz stable(stable in a sense it can sit like that 24/7 constantly and run full load across 4 cores like that).Don't forget that at those OC clocks and overvolt,your core i7 draws massive amounts of power(like >350W for the CPU alone;the temps. would be 83+C on H20).

Stability my dear Informal is relative, so since there's no standard, user stability is merely subjective and therefore if the system gets the job done for which it was built, that's stability there for you.

I guess you want to see a system priming at 5Ghz? I thought this was about OVERCLOCKING? Oh, I don't think we'll be having this much debate if AMD dropped a chip that could prime at 6.3ghz.

[Jazzman]

Are you talking about 24/7 ready/stable settings or one of those "OMGBBQ i ran SP1M and it's stable,look at my winner score!1! ?Because on air i haven't seen much past 4.1Ghz stable(stable in a sense it can sit like that 24/7 constantly and run full load across 4 cores like that).Don't forget that at those OC clocks and overvolt,your core i7 draws massive amounts of power(like >350W for the CPU alone;the temps. would be 83+C on H20).

Yeah, the samples HE got were hot ones. SOURCE

[Zucker2k]

The i920 is lowest binned Ci7 for a reason; even though I dislike the way Intel neuters some chips in order to help them segment pricing. But Intel is not alone here. In any case, how did they manage to load the cores at those percentages, precisely, in order to determine corresponding voltages?

[tiro_uspsss]

Oh really? How's that?

ok i'm going to report u, for 2 reasons:

1) the above post shows u r simply being deliberately DAFT & RETARDED (u, urself said fugger had done 5Ghz on air.. then u said, u've never seen anyone do 5Ghz on air)

2) judging by ur other posts & posters reactions to those post on this page alone, its crystal clear ur simply a:

[Miss Banana]

ok i'm going to report u, for 2 reasons:

1) the above post shows u r simply being deliberately DAFT & RETARDED

Calling someone retarded is considered rude and insulting.
It doesn't matter what kind of post someone has made, if you are going to call someone retarded you might as well report yourself AND them, as using such language towards fellow XSers is simply not done.

[sirheck]

Retarded=Not an individuals fault. Its a mental disorder.
Ignorant=Not knowing. I,m ignorant in a lot of things, so is every one here.
Stupid=Well Stupid, or Idiot.

[Aberration]

The i920 is lowest binned Ci7 for a reason; even though I dislike the way Intel neuters some chips in order to help them segment pricing. But Intel is not alone here. In any case, how did they manage to load the cores at those percentages, precisely, in order to determine corresponding voltages?

Binning is not always the reason a chip is made to be at low clocks.

I am sure the orders for 920s are far above that of the 965. But if they all binned for 965, they may not have enough to fill the 920 orders.

[qurious63ss]

Binning is not always the reason a chip is made to be at low clocks.

I am sure the orders for 920s are far above that of the 965. But if they all binned for 965, they may not have enough to fill the 920 orders.

Ahh but you see this is the beauty of sorting chips. It just happens that the majority of chips will fall under the low bin say 70% then you have the mid bin which is 25% followed by top bin of 5%. This is not by some coincidence but by intel/amd knowing how well their process runs and knowing that their are many variables in the process that will only get you those top 5% bins (i.e. center of wafer or ran in golden tool sets) you can only have so many wafers that you can do this with so they have a pretty good idea of what the binning is going to look like from the beginning.