My Dual Harper - Asus Z7S WS living review *56K warning*

[MrBean]

There might be a few guys out there who might have funds for only one cpu.

Not everyone could afford dual setups, and it was just handy information. so, as I mentioned, if you have this board, with a single Xeon, you don't need the 8-pin on your psu.

Your statement in the first post was ambiguous, that's all - the one above more accurate.

Simple as that, thought I'd clear it up

[jcool]

If you can't afford a 2nd CPU, you won't be able to afford a 350€ motherboard but go for a 80€ one instead. Simple as that

Of course there are some people who buy one CPU now and the other one later, but even then they need EPS. Unless they want to upgade their PSU, too, which makes no sense really.

[MrBean]

Hehe - good point.

For the record - I did buy the board, have 2x E5430's, 8gigs of ram, 2x SAS 146gigs, etc

Oh yeah, before I forget, the PC Power&Cooling 1KW Turbocool PSU too - so it seems I am safe.

Hey, quick question - how's your ramsonks working for you? The new ones you got......

I got Ram, turned out they were Apple compliant, with the huge heatsinks, and I had to return them and order ones with the std thin heatsinks.

Do the new ones you have work well?

[ZIO]

Unfortunately- I couldn't buy them.. to much for shipping.

Those RAMBOCK heatsinks are awesome, I had to get single-pipe ones from www.gogofan.com they are by some other company but the specs on them are very similar except they are single-pipe.

"Masscool RAM Heatsink"

There is another in the UK called Xilence which shares a similar design. But they didn't respond to my email. So I kept looking and found the Masscool Sinks.

I saw a review where sinks like the ones I bought dropped temps on RAM quite well.

http://www.hard-h2o.com/review/disip...-cooler_2.html

So I bought some RAM heatsink clones for my machine

ZIO

[jcool]

Hehe - good point.

For the record - I did buy the board, have 2x E5430's, 8gigs of ram, 2x SAS 146gigs, etc

Oh yeah, before I forget, the PC Power&Cooling 1KW Turbocool PSU too - so it seems I am safe.

Hey, quick question - how's your ramsonks working for you? The new ones you got......

I got Ram, turned out they were Apple compliant, with the huge heatsinks, and I had to return them and order ones with the std thin heatsinks.

Do the new ones you have work well?

Yeah, my Rams were also made for Mac Pro it seemed. But even though the stock ramsinks were huge (see page 1) I found they were way too hot for my taste. The new ramcoolers rock, I got like 55C running all passive on the AMB chip, now it's down to like 46 because the case has a fan near them.

By the way, more of these ramsinks are gonna turn up here at XS soon.. can't tell more right now but you'll see

[oerekum]

Does the Corsair Dominator fan thing fit on this board?

[jcool]

Honestly I don't know. I don't need one ^^
The OCZ ramcooler might fit it though.

[jcool]

Just upgraded to 8GB ram and QuadChannel... looks insane with all those ramcoolers
Now I just gotta do some stress testing to ensure NB/mems can handle FSB 430... might need to increase MCH or Vdimm, we'll see.

Pics later

[Archetype450]

Pics PLEASE....... before I die..... each time I enter this thread, I forget to breathe...

[fungry]

Looking forward to those pictures. As with any time. hehehe

[ZIO]

Oh darn it.

This doesn't look normal, the board is all warped looking when I tighten down the screws on the HR-01's all the way, I had to back off 4 half turns to minimize this and still retain positive pressure on the processor.

I think it is the thin rubber backing pads that came with the MB they are slightly too thick.

I can't imagine this is suppose to look all warped. But I think the screws might back off over time if not snug, a few very small washers might work in there.

I don't see how this build would fit in a normal ATX case- better yet, a normal server case- I had to mod mine to get it to fit, trim a bracket here and there but it looks awesome all shiny... still waiting on my RAM to get here.

ZIO

[jcool]

Hey ZIO,

I had the same problem. That "backplate-mod" I described on page 1 only works properly if the mobo is lying flat on a table, if it's mounted in a case you have to screw the Thermalrights directly onto the case washers.
And don't overtighen them in any case, as you have noticed.

[ZIO]

HI everyone!

If only there was a way to KNOW beforehand if your processor had a good chance of being golden.

Even though composition is the mostly the same, the molecular order is greater near the center of a crystal either natural or man-made, meaning less growth layers. Calving the chip near a core of a big silicon crystal near the middle lengthwise of the stick of the cuts where perfect temps made for better material.

The appearance of "golden" processors are evidence of this higher crystalline order whereas the processor materials can withstand higher thermal loads and have greater oriented passivity to modulated loads.

It would appear that from the articles I have read on silicon crystal growth that right down the center of the crystal, the orientation will be of the highest order, therefore the chips created from this layer will "perform" best under thermal loads, meaning better overclocking.

If there was only some way to map this- no wait, they do already you'd just have to get the data somehow, before you buy them.....

Now this might vary a little depending upon the actual draw speed and the condition of the equipment/sensors on the actual crystal furnace. But the chips from the center of the rod and the center of the slice will be the best for OC.

ZIO

[ZIO]

Hey jcool, can you please post pics and new benchmarks?


It must feel awesome to own such a fast machine.

I know I'd love to see them. Thanks man.

ZIO

[MrBean]

Nice Jcool, cannot wait for the update

[Movieman]

Nice Jcool, cannot wait for the update

I'll get out my whip to motivate him!

[jcool]

Nooo Dave, pleeeeaaaase

About the pics, my camera died on me, or more precicely, the crappy battery died
There isn't much news just yet, only more ram

Wait till I setup the WC just for the storage subsystem And possibly add another mobo to the other side of the cube, which will then be watercooled...

What kind of benchmarks would you guys like to see? QuadChannel doesn't show in any bench so far, but the other guys running it have assured me that's perfectly normal

Stay tuned guys

[Movieman]

Nooo Dave, pleeeeaaaase

About the pics, my camera died on me, or more precicely, the crappy battery died
There isn't much news just yet, only more ram

Wait till I setup the WC just for the storage subsystem And possibly add another mobo to the other side of the cube, which will then be watercooled...

What kind of benchmarks would you guys like to see? QuadChannel doesn't show in any bench so far, but the other guys running it have assured me that's perfectly normal

Stay tuned guys

Ok, your forgiven, especially since my camera died also!
Just ordered a Canon SX100 IS.. Supposed to be a good one for the money.
As to benches, Cinebench 10 using a 64 bit OS and good old SuperPi1M..

[jcool]

I already postet a CB screen earlier, didn't I?
I dunno, seems my mobo can't go as high after weeks of full load when everything's so heated up. I tried booting at 440+ but it wouldn't work any more. And I won't waste hours of HCC just so I can bench higher
1M should be slow, since it's using only one one core. My wPrime rocks though, see hwbot

[Movieman]

I already postet a CB screen earlier, didn't I?
I dunno, seems my mobo can't go as high after weeks of full load when everything's so heated up. I tried booting at 440+ but it wouldn't work any more. And I won't waste hours of HCC just so I can bench higher
1M should be slow, since it's using only one one core. My wPrime rocks though, see hwbot

SP1M at 13.29s..on a workstation..on air..
(Goes to HWBot to see if it beats mine)
wPrime32m:
28. 5sec 920ms - Movieman (XtremeSystems) - (2x Xeon X5482 @ 3603mhz)( so I had a borrowed pair of $3000.00 cpu's..
44. 6sec 860ms - jcool (XtremeSystems) - (2x Xeon E5420 @ 3225mhz on air)

wprime1024mb:
30. 3min 6sec 700ms - Movieman (XtremeSystems) - (2x Xeon X5482 @ 3484mhz)
37. 3min 28sec 600ms - jcool (XtremeSystems) - (2x Xeon E5420 @ 3225mhz on air)
When you look at the cost differences in the cpu's the 5420's are a hell of a better buy.

[jcool]

Yeah, can't beat u there.
But also bear in mind that this was NOT a max bench like yours, but with a 24/7 stable setting.

This is 1M, not too shabby for everyday use:

[Movieman]

Yeah, can't beat u there.
But also bear in mind that this was NOT a max bench like yours, but with a 24/7 stable setting.

This is 1M, not too shabby for everyday use:

Not bad at all and to show the difference between the Harpers and the clovers, my X5350 clovers maxxed out at 3258 did 15.557s in SP1M

[ZIO]

this might be hot?

100F Cpu0
97F Cpu1
89F M
100F MB

Either loaded down 10% for hours or idle temps remain the same. the cooler stack doesn't even feel warm to the touch, the ram barely so.

I see your temps are lower, do you think this is a problem?

The computer doesn't act slow or anything and it blows past the post screen so fast all you see is some pixels blink- WHOAH!

[loonym]

100f is only 38c

[jcool]

I can't tell how your temps are in F, can't translate that to Celsius, sorry
All I can say is that Coretemp, Everest etc. read 45nm CPUs wrong because of wrong tjunction assumption. You can substract at least 10C from your coretemps, and what you get then isn't nearly accurate to begin with.
My mobo shows 43C Celsius after days of load, rams are at 45-50C.

If it's stable and doesn't feel hot, I'd ignore the readings. What program did you use for the readout anyway?