790 corruption issues?

[Guacamole]

This is GARBAGE I am on 703 and I seem to stable but this corruption stuff is JUST BS guys.. Say what you want am on SIIE and I can't get rid of the corruption I thought I was completely stable and 20 minutes ago I ran sfc scan and no corruption, went for a run came back rebooted my computer and here is what I got:



Seriously 703 hasn't fixed anything it just changes the corruption problem, I hate Nvidia right now I am very frustrated it's not okay to charge $450.00 for a board that doesn't work right.. 703 most definitely has not fixed 95% of the problems it just patched some BS and after running it for awhile it's back WTH!!! In all fairness this is tragic I am so dissapointed this has been going on for months and the issues are not resolved.. I thought I had it but then my friend couldn't get his board stable so I tried sfc scan again and now I have corruption all over the place... Not COOL!!! Nvidia really needs to get their sh** together before releasing these boards, bottom line.... Boo Nvidia Boo...

[slim142]

That text is for the P05 BIOS that was released last week. We had it earlier than that for testing and it resolved the majority of data corruption problems we could replicate on a consistent basis (400/1600 was repeatable). I am still testing it, but for the data corruption problems that were consistent in our testing, they are fixed. I am sure there can be other instances where data corruption can still occur because the GTLRef/VTT tables are still not quite correct.

ASUS, starting with BIOS 0703 has implemented some of the base code from NVIDIA, a full update will not occur until next week from all indications. With 0703, increasing SPP and MCP voltages slightly while manually tuning GTLRef helped solve about 95% of the repeatable corruption problems we had.

As far as the first line of the text, NVIDIA knows other users have had this problem, our name is on it as we seemed to be the only "website" that reported our findings to them. It appears that telling the emperor he is not wearing any clothes is difficult for some. I find it funny that certain websites dismissed our claims and a few hours later, NVIDIA admits there is a problem and releases a BIOS update for it.

So wait, right now they are working on this corruptions, but what about people who are not getting corruptions but are getting hard times OCing? IMO, like you said this might be VTT/GTLRef related so hopefully with the corruption solved, OCing might get somewhat easier.
With what we have right now, are you saying it is recommended to have 0703 and even if you dont experience corruption but you OC, go straight to 0703?

My only problem here is P1 and P2 which causes random freezes when enabled. Sometimes after 10 minutes, sometimes after 3 hours, some times after 14 HOURS.

thanks for the feedback gary!
i apologize for my rant about nvidias faq then...
it seems they really did a good job and fixed almost all of the corruption issues, at least at the common speeds.

finding the random, hard to repeat problems is a real btch...
i hope nvidia doesnt give up and keeps working on it, if they can iron out those problems 790 or a chipset refresh might go into the books as the best ddr3 chipset before it all went IMC

I agree, and hopefully they will keep working on 790i since I plan to keep this system for a long time.

[slim142]

This is GARBAGE I am on 703 and I seem to stable but this corruption stuff is JUST BS guys.. Say what you want am on SIIE and I can't get rid of the corruption I thought I was completely stable and 20 minutes ago I ran sfc scan and no corruption, went for a run came back rebooted my computer and here is what I got:

Seriously 703 hasn't fixed anything it just changes the corruption problem, I hate Nvidia right now I am very frustrated it's not okay to charge $450.00 for a board that doesn't work right.. 703 most definitely has not fixed 95% of the problems it just patched some BS and after running it for awhile it's back WTH!!! In all fairness this is tragic I am so dissapointed this has been going on for months and the issues are not resolved.. I thought I had it but then my friend couldn't get his board stable so I tried sfc scan again and now I have corruption all over the place... Not COOL!!! Nvidia really needs to get their sh** together before releasing these boards, bottom line.... Boo Nvidia Boo...

Guacomole, take it easy bro. I just updated to 0703 because of what Bingo says to see if there is any chance this is true. Not saying Bingo is lying but NVIDIA like always, migh be. (Also because 0702 was horrible...)

Do you think that corruption might be the result of any previous OC failure? Like before you got your system estable, there might have been corrupted data left... Im just saying what I think might have happened.

Testing 0703...

[TheHardCase]

I've just about had enough too, this is BS & I'll tell you guys.
Nothing but lockups & 9800GX2 driver has recovered crap.
This board can be great one day & the next day nothing but problems.
Don't even work at stock settings what a joke. LMAO

I'm putting a letter together for Asus, I want an exchange. Give me a different motherboard no nvidia chipsets, enough is enough.

I'm not putting up another day with this crap...

[TheHardCase]

This is GARBAGE I am on 703 and I seem to stable but this corruption stuff is JUST BS guys.. Say what you want am on SIIE and I can't get rid of the corruption I thought I was completely stable and 20 minutes ago I ran sfc scan and no corruption, went for a run came back rebooted my computer and here is what I got:



Seriously 703 hasn't fixed anything it just changes the corruption problem, I hate Nvidia right now I am very frustrated it's not okay to charge $450.00 for a board that doesn't work right.. 703 most definitely has not fixed 95% of the problems it just patched some BS and after running it for awhile it's back WTH!!! In all fairness this is tragic I am so dissapointed this has been going on for months and the issues are not resolved.. I thought I had it but then my friend couldn't get his board stable so I tried sfc scan again and now I have corruption all over the place... Not COOL!!! Nvidia really needs to get their sh** together before releasing these boards, bottom line.... Boo Nvidia Boo...

I agree 100% Bro... POFS

[eternal_fantasy]

Ive gave up a cupple of weeks ago... now playing with BlackOps. Very much less stress

[Guacamole]

Guacomole, take it easy bro. I just updated to 0703 because of what Bingo says to see if there is any chance this is true. Not saying Bingo is lying but NVIDIA like always, migh be. (Also because 0702 was horrible...)

Do you think that corruption might be the result of any previous OC failure? Like before you got your system estable, there might have been corrupted data left... Im just saying what I think might have happened.

Testing 0703...

Hey Slim I am not mad just a little frustrated and I actually have had an overall good experience until recently BUT the corruption persists I am running sfc scan right now and it will probably pass but the next time I reboot it will fail.. Actually I just failed so whatever..

The main prob with an ASUS board is that if there is a refresh we are going to get totally screwed unlike eVGA board holders Asus folks get the shaft.. Oh our board didn't work like we said but that's too bad another $450.00 please, it's very true...

[slim142]

So far, neither pmp or bingo have mention this so I pray that it (new board revision) doesnt become true cause I would make ASUS pay!
I dont know why everytime I run sfc /scannow I dont get the results, I just get the pop up window saying it needs windows XP SP2 cd, then I click retry until it finishes but when it finishes I see nothing else but what I wrote on the command prompt, nothing about the results so I cant verify if I have some kind of corruption!

Are you running your OCZ at 1600? Because 1800 gives me a lot of trouble, heck, I cant even boot at 1800, I have to go straight to 1880 because of divider problem LOL!!! (this is with 0701, havent tried 1800RAM yet with 0703).

ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD
I just bought this Scythe 40mmx10mm fan from Performance-Pcs (because they are in FL so I get it faster via USPS) which you can also get from Newegg just to see if the high temps (60c) in my NB are the problems of all my problems. Since I have given my PC no rest time since I built it, the NB heatsink BURNS when you touch it after shutdown (which makes me think is the cause of failure after 14 hours?) so I just bought this mini-fan and Im planning to just put it there (screwing one screw and keep it in place by making small pressure with the first ram stick, videocard and water block pipe, yeah I know this sounds weird but thats the only way to keep the fan on the NB) and then test to see if the NB is the cause of my problems.

I remember one guy had so much OCing problems with the first striker than when he changed the stock pipes and everything, he went from 450Mhz to 475Mhz FSB easily so Im guessing this might help me out. Also, if you notice on Benchz profile picture, he has a 80mm fan on top of the NB so that might be helping him too? Who knows...

[Coupa]

ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD
I just bought this Scythe 40mmx10mm fan from Performance-Pcs

Let me know how it goes, it would be interesting if it solved alot of the systems freezes.

[slim142]

Let me know how it goes, it would be interesting if it solved alot of the systems freezes.

Will do m8

[gmcg]

Ive gave up a cupple of weeks ago... now playing with BlackOps. Very much less stress

Tell us more, please, how do you like it?

[eternal_fantasy]

Tell us more, please, how do you like it?

It's a breath of fresh air... as overclocking should be fun and rewarding, and not buying £290 of frustration, as was the case of the Striker II extreme. The blackops has obviously been properly tested before selling it to the end user, and it shows in the BIOS and the quality of the motherboard. It is great for the moment, and lets me use 0.5V less VCore at the same frequency with the QX9650. Need a heck oh a high VTT to reach 450FSB though! (1.67V)

[BenchZowner]

1.65V VTT sounds too much for 450MHz FSB.
Are you sure it's the VTT that prevents you from running 450MHz FSB stable and not the other settings ?

[Aivas47a]

It is great for the moment, and lets me use 0.5V less VCore at the same frequency with the QX9650. Need a heck oh a high VTT to reach 450FSB though! (1.67V)

Have you tried tweaking the GTLs? In my experience VTT of 1.30 will normally support yorkfield at 450 on this board. Even fsb up to 475-480 shouldn't require more than 1.40.

[eternal_fantasy]

With 1.3V VTT I can only run it reliably at 435Mhz FSB... increasing only the VTT alowed me to enter windows with 450FSB. There are no dedicated blackops thread at the moment to share the overclocking experience, but requiring a high FSB seems to be the case with my board.

[saaya]

man this sucks... sorry to hear you guys are still not getting the system stable with the latest bios...
after months of tweaking this must be very very frustrating...

hey dinos and bingo, i suspect the boards play an important role in this and some boards are simply better than others, as having a wider tolerance range for vtt etc.
could you guys maybe check with nvidia or asus if they are interested in testing those boards themselves?
looking at this from nvidias perspective it must be hard for them too, if it really depends on the boards and each board acts different.

they might as well be looking for a board that causes problems, but all their boards work fine.
what they need to really fix this issue is to have a known bad board and causes problems, repeatedly, so they can reproduce the problems and then fix them.

it could also have to do with the cpus of the people who still have problems having an rather unusual skewed or slim vtt window...
so ideally nvidia or asus should ask them to send in their boards with cpu.

then again, giving away the board plus cpu might be a bit much to ask from theese guys here, but im sure they would be willing to cooperate if nvidia or asus approaches them, and im sure they can find some solution of maybe sending them a new board and cpu or something.

[sonofander]

I would totally be willing to send in my components for testing (give replacements are sent to me). If you guys set this up, consider me volounteer #1!

[GAR]

So the corruption is fixed only on the reference boards????? i see SEII is still having problems.....can anyone confirm P05 has fixed the corruption issue with the 790i.

[Guacamole]

Now I have to say I have done nothing but reset the CMOS and leave out the battery for a number of hours and re did my OC same exact settings as before and now I can't recreate the corruption.. So now I do not have corruption but this is still retarded.. Maybe next week I will again?? I have no idea what is going with this board but it can't be good.. One minute I am rock solid cruising along the next I can't pass sfc scan.. Now I am rock solid with the same settings as before this makes no sense at all.. One minute I have corruption the next I don't no fun.. I am soo confused this makes no sense, but what are you gonna do??? I am considering sending back my board what do you think??

[slim142]

It's a breath of fresh air... as overclocking should be fun and rewarding, and not buying £290 of frustration, as was the case of the Striker II extreme. The blackops has obviously been properly tested before selling it to the end user, and it shows in the BIOS and the quality of the motherboard. It is great for the moment, and lets me use 0.5V less VCore at the same frequency with the QX9650. Need a heck oh a high VTT to reach 450FSB though! (1.67V)

I would say you need more vcore or NB voltage.

Have you tried tweaking the GTLs? In my experience VTT of 1.30 will normally support yorkfield at 450 on this board. Even fsb up to 475-480 shouldn't require more than 1.40.

This is Intel board and I would be really surprised that you need to modify the GTLRefs

So the corruption is fixed only on the reference boards????? i see SEII is still having problems.....can anyone confirm P05 has fixed the corruption issue with the 790i.

Like always, no corruptions (cant verify anyways lol) but hard times OCing...

[saaya]

Now I have to say I have done nothing but reset the CMOS and leave out the battery for a number of hours and re did my OC same exact settings as before and now I can't recreate the corruption.. So now I do not have corruption but this is still retarded.. Maybe next week I will again?? I have no idea what is going with this board but it can't be good.. One minute I am rock solid cruising along the next I can't pass sfc scan.. Now I am rock solid with the same settings as before this makes no sense at all.. One minute I have corruption the next I don't no fun.. I am soo confused this makes no sense, but what are you gonna do??? I am considering sending back my board what do you think??

sounds like my 680 experiences...
could be gtl/vtt not being tweaked properly... could be a faulty board... could be a bad psu... could be a too hot chipset... really hard to tell :/

[eternal_fantasy]

I would say you need more vcore or NB voltage

up to 1.45VCore/1.7V NB not enough for a QX9650 @ 450 x 9? I don't think so. I have obtained this clock on numerous boards in my sig with very much less voltage. Those would be the first 2 voltages I go to before even raising the VTT.

[TheHardCase]

My final report on S2E
I was having nothing but issues, everything from BSOD, freezing & corruption.

Let's get started from the start.
1st set of hard drives failed in Raid 0, sent back for RMA.

2nd set New Hitachi Deskstar 160GB x 2 Raid 0, nothing but problems installing windows vista ect.

Noted problems,
Corruption
BSOD
Freezing
9800GX2 Driver Has Recovered, could only use v174.74
SP1 would fail sometimes
Windows Updates sometimes fail
SoundMax Crackling
Video Corruption sometimes
Random Restarts
You could hear the drives turn off or make a clicking noize & in a short time things above would happen.
All these problems are related to hard drives & corruption.

3rd set new 80GB seagate drives x 2 Raid 0
Can you say 0 problems?
How can all the problems above just go away?
Nothing has changed at all in bios, same settings.
I don't care what anyone says about this, all the problems are gone after I installed 2 new drives.

Just for the fun of it I reinstalled IBM drives & guess what, system went for a crap again.
Removed them & installed seagates no problems.

[slim142]

Guys read my last post on the nForce 790i thread...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...179184&page=58

[Guacamole]

My final report on S2E
I was having nothing but issues, everything from BSOD, freezing & corruption.

Let's get started from the start.
1st set of hard drives failed in Raid 0, sent back for RMA.

2nd set New Hitachi Deskstar 160GB x 2 Raid 0, nothing but problems installing windows vista ect.

Noted problems,
Corruption
BSOD
Freezing
9800GX2 Driver Has Recovered, could only use v174.74
SP1 would fail sometimes
Windows Updates sometimes fail
SoundMax Crackling
Video Corruption sometimes
Random Restarts
You could hear the drives turn off or make a clicking noize & in a short time things above would happen.
All these problems are related to hard drives & corruption.

3rd set new 80GB seagate drives x 2 Raid 0
Can you say 0 problems?
How can all the problems above just go away?
Nothing has changed at all in bios, same settings.
I don't care what anyone says about this, all the problems are gone after I installed 2 new drives.

Just for the fun of it I reinstalled IBM drives & guess what, system went for a crap again.
Removed them & installed seagates no problems.

Yeah man the HD situation on this board is sketchy to say the least.. Check this one out my board works perfectly with my raptors in raid0 and my external connected through e-sata no problems.. Then I bought a 1TB Seagate to match my external and put it inside my system, now the computer can't read the drive in the external through e-sata only USB.. Not a big deal but it just shows that there are still a lot of issues.. I mean HD issues and also there are issues installing vista with 2 sticks of ram if you just use 1 stick vista installs perfectly BTW especially true for 64bit Vista...