Official Desktop Penryn Discussion Thread

[ediflorianus]

Shold I go with Yorkfield or stick wit Kentsfield (Q6600 ... I think B3 is more Overclokeble than G0,but G0 is cooler)

[safan80]

Intel Prices "Penryn" Xeons! there's more in the link than what I posted.
http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Price...rticle8074.htm

PenrynQuad-Core Xeon DP

Model Core Frequency TDP L2 Cache Q4'07 Launch Price

X5460 3.16 GHz 120W 12MB $1,172

E5450 3.00 GHz 80W 12MB $851
E5440 2.83 GHz 80W 12MB $690
E5430 2.66 GHz 80W 12MB $455

E5420 2.50 GHz 80W 12MB $316
E5410 2.33 GHz 80W 12MB $256
E5405 2.xx GHz 80W 12MB $209

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

this stupid 1333fsb is starting to piss me off, and I don't even own one. With a P35 board you probably have to get the e5420 just to hit 3.7ghz

Ryan

[Zytek_Fan]

this stupid 1333fsb is starting to piss me off, and I don't even own one. With a P35 board you probably have to get the e5420 just to hit 3.7ghz

Ryan

Those are socket 771 Xeons, Harpertown.

[turtle]

this stupid 1333fsb is starting to piss me off, and I don't even own one. With a P35 board you probably have to get the e5420 just to hit 3.7ghz

Ryan

Agreed, and agreed. That does indeed suck. 8x (perhaps 9x?) would seem to me to be where the sweet spot is, but the 7.5x would seem more affordable and therefore would more popular; the 333 totally takes the sails out of overclocking unless there's room in the yorkfield FSB we've yet to see.

As for it being 771, it's probably a fair indication of around where the similar desktop chips will be priced, although there will probably be less options. Perhaps just 9x/10x-EE to start, then 8x edition later?

[Movieman]

According to what I've seen 9.5 is the top multi for the xeons
3160/12mb/1333
To play with the xeons the DDR2-800FBDimms will be needed and they havn't been released widely yet..Just 667's so far and those on most boards get limited to 360..
Something I just noticed with the pricing:
X5460 3.16 GHz 120W 12MB $1,172
E5450 3.00 GHz 80W 12MB..... $851

Those prices are per chip, so times 2 and you have $2344.00 a pair for the 3160's and $1702.00 for the 3000's
$642.00 difference between them.
You could almost build 2-3000's for the price of one 3160..
A board is $450.00..Ram is $360.00,PSU is $160-$200.00
Damned close and much more output.
Take another step down to 2830 and you definately can build 2 for the price of one while only losing 330mhz..

[Donnie27]

How much would be a Yorkfield 2.67GHz?

E5450 3.00 GHz 80W 12MB $851
E5440 2.83 GHz 80W 12MB $690
E5430 2.66 GHz 80W 12MB $455

E5420 2.50 GHz 80W 12MB $316
E5410 2.33 GHz 80W 12MB $256
E5405 2.xx GHz 80W 12MB $209

[Shintai]

E5450 3.00 GHz 80W 12MB $851
E5440 2.83 GHz 80W 12MB $690
E5430 2.66 GHz 80W 12MB $455

E5420 2.50 GHz 80W 12MB $316
E5410 2.33 GHz 80W 12MB $256
E5405 2.xx GHz 80W 12MB $209

Those aint Yorkfield but Harpertowns.

Looking on prices of the Xeons and today,. I would guess a 2.66Ghz Yorkfield would cost either ~316$ or ~266$

[turtle]

Those aint Yorkfield but Harpertowns.

Looking on prices of the Xeons and today,. I would guess a 2.66Ghz Yorkfield would cost either ~316$ or ~266$

Really? I would guess:

EE 3.33ghz yorkfield = ~$1200

3ghz yorkfield = $~850

Q6700 and up fills gap...

2.66ghz yorkfield = ~$450

Q6600 fills gap...

2.33 = ~$260 (launching later)


Remember though, there is supposed to be only 2 yorkfields at launch, and I think if there are more models they will be released later (Q1?) I understand the ES around are 3.33 and 2.33, but I seriously doubt they'll launch a low-end part so soon and with such a gap in-between the two. You know how it goes...milk the high-end, and dribble out the cheaper parts as time goes on. If there is 2.66/2.33 parts, I bet we see them later on ala the Q6600 to the QX6700. If there is a 2.33ghz part (see super cheap yorkfield) that soon...well that's just plain awesome.

[Shintai]

NO there wont just be 2 yorkfields at launch. Thats 1 or 2 certain idiotic "tech"sites that claimed that based on 2 ES samples. And 3.33Ghz is 999$ again.

Just like ALL clovertowns and woodcrests are replaced with Hapertowns and wolfdale-DPs.

65nm will dump down as 4000 series and below.

And this is selfconflicting too:

Q6700 and up fills gap...

2.66ghz yorkfield = ~$450

530$ 2.66Ghz 65nm vs 450$ 2.66ghz 45nm?

Singlesocket prices will be significant lower than dual socket prices.

[Donnie27]

Those aint Yorkfield but Harpertowns.

Looking on prices of the Xeons and today,. I would guess a 2.66Ghz Yorkfield would cost either ~316$ or ~266$

OK, thanks!

[red]

Harpertown dated?

http://www3.intel.com/cd/channel/res...eng/342837.htm Click Boxed Server/Workstation Processors >. Nov 11

[Andypro1]

Harpertown dated?

http://www3.intel.com/cd/channel/res...eng/342837.htm Click Boxed Server/Workstation Processors >. Nov 11

12MB cache, those are definitely Penryns! Nice find!

[Jacky]

I just wonder why there is a launch date for all the server/workstation processors until Q1'08 but nothing about their desktop counterparts.
Let's hope yorkfield XE launch at christmas is true.

[Metroid]

Intel prepares boxed quad-core "Penryn" based Xeon processors for November 11

Intel has set the launch date for its Penryn based quad-core Xeon processor family. The company intends to launch seven new Harpertown based models ranging from 2.0-to-3.16 GHz on November 11, according to a posting on Intel’s reseller webpage. Standard “E” bin and performance “X” bin processors launch on November 11.

Intel Xeon processors carrying the “E” designation feature 80-watt TDP ratings while the “X” bin processors have higher 120-watt TDP ratings. Intel does not plan to launch the low-power “L” models until Q1’08, with two models in the pipeline.

Strangely, Intel never issued a formal announcement for the launch of Penryn nor has the November 11 date showed up on roadmaps. Instead, the launch date popped up on a public webpage for resellers.

Penryn Quad-Core Xeon DP

Model Core Frequency TDP L2 Cache Launch Price

X5460 3.16 GHz 120W 12MB $1,172

E5450 3.00 GHz 80W 12MB $851

E5440 2.83 GHz 80W 12M $690

E5430 2.66 GHz 80W 12MB $455

E5420 2.50 GHz 80W 12M $316

E5410 2.33 GHz 80W 12MB $256

E5405 2.00 GHz 80W 12MB $209

Pricing for Penryn-based Intel Xeon processors begin at $209 for the entry-level E5405 to $1,172 for the top-end X5460. Although Intel set the launch dates for quad-core Xeon based Penryn processors, the company remains silent on the launch date of the desktop and mobile counterparts.

Intel’s Penryn architecture is the next evolution of the Core 2 micro architecture that made its debut with Woodcrest and Conroe processors. Penryn introduces a 45nm fabrication process with a few additional performance enhancements. Most notably, Penryn introduces new SSE4 instructions for enhanced multimedia performance.


Source

[EvlUndrWareNome]

i think i might move to amd..

Im not buying outrageously prices ddr3 just to be able to run the fsb for high clocks. 1333 fsb can burn for all I care. People sit here and dog AMD all day, but to me they are the better company for the consumer. Better prices, good performance, and PLATFORM LONGETIVITY!

No penryn dual core is worth me trading up my 3.5ghz e6300 running under 1.35V

The real CPU battle will be Phenom and Nehalem architectures IMO.

[terrace215]

i think i might move to amd..

Im not buying outrageously prices ddr3 just to be able to run the fsb for high clocks. 1333 fsb can burn for all I care. People sit here and dog AMD all day, but to me they are the better company for the consumer. Better prices, good performance, and PLATFORM LONGETIVITY!

No penryn dual core is worth me trading up my 3.5ghz e6300 running under 1.35V

The real CPU battle will be Phenom and Nehalem architectures IMO.

That's not going to be a battle. That's called a "slaughter". Phenom is the same architecture as Barcelona, K10, that is to say, IPC on the order of 65nm C2D.

[red]

http://aceshardware.freeforums.org/v...bab43535ddfafd

Johan of Anandtech says I still have a hard timing believing the halflife scores. What makes halflife so special that it accelerates 30% while most games show 10%? There is no SSE-4 in halflife. There is a 10% increase in memory performance, and about 15% higher SSE performance. That can not give a 30% gaming increase as games are hardly carefully optimized for SSE.

Charlie of INQ says I can't talk now other than to say believe it. Really. If anything, this [30% for HL2 same clock] underrepresents the improvements. More when I can.

Ooh

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/hwdb.php?ti...iew&rid=837360
BTW, HKEPC says HL2 is square root heavy and Penryn's improved divider helps.

[Metroid]

http://aceshardware.freeforums.org/v...bab43535ddfafd

Johan of Anandtech says I still have a hard timing believing the halflife scores. What makes halflife so special that it accelerates 30% while most games show 10%? There is no SSE-4 in halflife. There is a 10% increase in memory performance, and about 15% higher SSE performance. That can not give a 30% gaming increase as games are hardly carefully optimized for SSE.

Charlie of INQ says I can't talk now other than to say believe it. Really. If anything, this [30% for HL2 same clock] underrepresents the improvements. More when I can.

Ooh

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/hwdb.php?ti...iew&rid=837360
BTW, HKEPC says HL2 is square root heavy and Penryn's improved divider helps.

I'm still thinking the same. Why does half life 2 increases that much and other games are just 10%?

Well maybe higher cache higher boost. That is definitely strange.

[Donnie27]

I'm still thinking the same. Why does half life 2 increases that much and other games are just 10%?

Well maybe higher cache higher boost. That is definitely strange.

Not at all, just as some other apps are affected differently, so are some games. Some apps and games will have much better gains than others because they will benefit more from the improvements made to Penryn. Stuff not taking advantage will not.

[Zytek_Fan]

Harpertown launches top to bottom November 11th

[ANP !!!]

Nice ..

i will pick up a E5410..

[Zytek_Fan]

Nice ..

i will pick up a E5410..

Yeah, if you're getting a server or workstation mobo.

[Theli]

A Yorkfield just reached 486*7 = 3.4 GHz. source

[Shintai]

A Yorkfield just reached 486*7 = 3.4 GHz. source

The FSB seems the killer there tho with the low multi