I think core temp.... is officially buggered.

[geforce man]

allendale @ 1.41 volts in bios, 1.380 or so in windows, 1.344 loaded, with a thermalright XP 120 and 120cfm fan, the heatsink is getting warm, aka making good contact, but its not blazing hot either. Well, core temp, is showing 84C. thats nigh on boiling, and would instantly burn my hands. SO, i think, in effect, that core temp has some issues to be resolved, or is monitering the temperature incorrectly, or is monitering the temperature of all things in your computer combined .

discuss.

[cirthix]

contact is probably poor, your ihs musnt be flat

[Absolute_0]

Core temp is way off, ignore it.

[lopri]

For me, CoreTemp is the most trustworthy tool for actual die-temp reading. A very good way to check is to undervolt your CPU at stock or even below-stock speed. Say, try something like 1.2V @2.0GHz. You will get below 30C idle and below 40C load temp, or something like that. And as frequency goes up, and as you give more voltages the CoreTemp responses to the change very sensitively.

[Absolute_0]

readings in the 80s can't be right though. Throttling and motherboard protection turn-off occurs there.

I'm on watercooling, for 24/7 i use 1.4v actual, coretemp gives me load temps up to 58c. I checked contact and it's perfect, i got a nice flat IHS.

Pentium D (HOTTER THAN CONROE) with this many volts loaded in the low 40s. You know something is wrong...

[nikhsub1]

Core temp is way off, ignore it.

LOL! And your basis for that statement is? You don't like the truth obviously.

[dinos22]

For me, CoreTemp is the most trustworthy tool for actual die-temp reading. A very good way to check is to undervolt your CPU at stock or even below-stock speed. Say, try something like 1.2V @2.0GHz. You will get below 30C idle and below 40C load temp, or something like that. And as frequency goes up, and as you give more voltages the CoreTemp responses to the change very sensitively.

i had 40C load temps overclocked to 3.2GHz stock vcore on one motherboard and 52C-55C on the other using core temp with tons of remounts on both motherboards >>>how do you explain that

motherboards were both Gigabyte DS3

[nikhsub1]

Pentium D (HOTTER THAN CONROE) with this many volts loaded in the low 40s. You know something is wrong...

You can't compare the 2... Conroes have a NEW scheme of temp monitoring that the P4's never had... The P4's had 2 internal diodes, one for us to read if your mobo supported it and one for thermal shutdown and throttling. The one we could monitor was located near the SURFACE of the core, in a cool spot relative to the hottest part of the core where the other diode is. Coretemp is essentially tapping into the hottest part of the core and it is very cool (no pun intended) to be able to see realistic readings. I find it hilarious how people have basically had their heads in the sand about ACTUAL cpu temps. Asus probe? Gimme a break that is as accurate as a blind man and a rifle. Welcome to reality folks.

[Absolute_0]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=112966

You want more arguments... CoreTemp has been giving me higher readings by the day. I check my room temp, 70F is always maintained.

CoreTemp was giving me 53c. I say BS, and remount just to be sure. The original mount was perfect.

CoreTemp now says 54c load. Fine i thought, when my arctic ceramique cures after about 4 days of burning I usually go down a degree. Tested on a lot of processors...

Next CoreTemp was saying 55, and then 56. Next day it said 57. By two days ago it was saying 58c. Same room temp...

Back to 57c right now. After about a week of my ceramique burning in, and tightening the block once, temps went up 3c

[nikhsub1]

Look I'm not saying coretemp is the end all be all, but I promise you it is much closer to reality than anything else, no way is it 15C off like that rediculous thread you linked to. Measuring the CPU with a probe between IHS and HSF? That is the dumbest thing I have ever seen! To check the temp of inside of your oven do you put a probe on the oven door? Or the fridge? Or, do you take your engines temp with a probe on the hood? LMAO. These are readings from the HOTTEST part of the core. Here is a screenie of speedfan (same reading as Asus probe), coretemp and Orthos. 3650Mhz at 1.55v, and that is some volts! Cooling in sig.

[dinos22]

Look I'm not saying coretemp is the end all be all, but I promise you it is much closer to reality than anything else, no way is it 15C off like that rediculous thread you linked to. Measuring the CPU with a probe between IHS and HSF? That is the dumbest thing I have ever seen! To check the temp of inside of your oven do you put a probe on the oven door? Or the fridge? Or, do you take your engines temp with a probe on the hood? LMAO. These are readings from the HOTTEST part of the core. Here is a screenie of speedfan (same reading as Asus probe), coretemp and Orthos. 3650Mhz at 1.55v, and that is some volts! Cooling in sig.

lol you tend to do a lot of disagreeing with people on the forum when it comes to cooling so what do you give as a counter argument..........is yours correct/not correct/close what are you saying

[lopri]

Absolute_0: If your CPU is clocked @3.73GHz and load temp is 57C (w/ water as I understand), that is a fantastic temperature. I think we're all too used to motherboards' temperature reading. At stock freq/Vcore on my board BIOS reports 19C idle temp. ASUS Probe reports something like 23~24C. I call it BS. A working piece of sillicon can't be cooler than ambient temp. My E6700 running 3.60GHz @1.475V tops around 64~66C w/ Ultra-120. I also did many tests with E6300 (undervolting, fanless, overclock, etc.) and only CoreTemp gives me the temp reading that makes sense.

[Absolute_0]

Nikhsub you have readings of 51 and 40, those are way different. BTW, with 1.55v i load around 65c, and i don't think my watercooling is *that* much worse...

I'm not believing my core temp readings for a second

**Lopri no, look at the 3.733 Ghz screenshot in my sig, it loads at 71c by core temp. 57c is at 3.466 Ghz 1.43v in bios, i run here 24/7 because my mobo's max bootable is 3.466 Ghz.

[whoodiestyle]

You can't compare the 2... Conroes have a NEW scheme of temp monitoring that the P4's never had... The P4's had 2 internal diodes, one for us to read if your mobo supported it and one for thermal shutdown and throttling. The one we could monitor was located near the SURFACE of the core, in a cool spot relative to the hottest part of the core where the other diode is. Coretemp is essentially tapping into the hottest part of the core and it is very cool (no pun intended) to be able to see realistic readings. I find it hilarious how people have basically had their heads in the sand about ACTUAL cpu temps. Asus probe? Gimme a break that is as accurate as a blind man and a rifle. Welcome to reality folks.

rofl about blind man that is just halrious

anyways ontopic i was geting around 57c on coretemp e6700 1.6v with watercooling at full load

[nikhsub1]

Absolute_0: If your CPU is clocked @3.73GHz and load temp is 57C (w/ water as I understand), that is a fantastic temperature. I think we're all too used to motherboards' temperature reading. At stock freq/Vcore on my board BIOS reports 19C idle temp. ASUS Probe reports something like 23~24C. I call it BS. A working piece of sillicon can't be cooler than ambient temp. My E6700 running 3.60GHz @1.475V tops around 64~66C w/ Ultra-120. I also did many tests with E6300 (undervolting, fanless, overclock, etc.) and only CoreTemp gives me the temp reading that makes sense.

QFT

[nikhsub1]

lol you tend to do a lot of disagreeing with people on the forum when it comes to cooling so what do you give as a counter argument..........is yours correct/not correct/close what are you saying

I'm saying that coretemp is more accurate than anything else. If that is not the answer you are looking for then I don't understand the question.

[nikhsub1]

Nikhsub you have readings of 51 and 40, those are way different. BTW, with 1.55v i load around 65c, and i don't think my watercooling is *that* much worse...

Yes 51 and 40, they are way different and that is the point! One is reading core temps and one is reading an insocket thermistor... and yes, depending on what H20 you are running there could be ~7-10C difference than mine... plus, what are your AMBIENT temps like? I have the AC on right now, prolly 75 - 76F in here ATM. If I turned the air off, core temp will go up 1 degree for every degree rise in ambient. Same as everyone. Ambient temps are very important here to figure out what is going on.

[dinos22]

I'm saying that coretemp is more accurate than anything else. If that is not the answer you are looking for then I don't understand the question.

how do you know CoreTemp is reporting accurate temps

[vintage_guitar]

because he's pissed and triple posted

[Revv23]

so if my cpu was okay at 50c mobo temp and that was really 70c then i guess im okay with that too, whats it matter really, as long as the chip is stable. its all relative, who cares how accurate it is?

All i need to figure out is if one HSF is better then another, so if it 110c vs 115c, or 40c vs. 45c. i dont care. As long as i can compare my different cooling setups.

[Absolute_0]

and yes, depending on what H20 you are running there could be ~7-10C difference than mine... plus, what are your AMBIENT temps like? I have the AC on right now, prolly 75 - 76F in here ATM.

70F ambient temps here

So you're saying, that even though your room temp is about 5F hotter, that your CPU temps are still 14c lower, for a total of about 17c colder than mine, because your water cooling setup is THAT much better than mine??

[ted3]

Try TAT (Intel Thermal Analysis Tool), exactly same temps as CoreTemp. If Intel cant make it right then who can? For sure not the motherboard makers, they like their boards to show lowest possible temps, "look how good boards we have, they run so COOOL!". And then we have AMD doing the same, show as low as possible. People want to be lied to, i suggest to use a permanent marker and write 28 Celsius beside your screen and sit back and enjoy your super-cool system.

[Yoxxy]

The CPU doesn't throttle at 85 it throttles at 100. End of story. I have screenshots to prove give a me a host and I will upload. TCaseMax on CoreTemp is wrong. It might be 90 it might be 95 it might even be 100 but it is definetly not 85. Obviously with mounting it with basically no cooling and a poor mount temps get out of site fast. But at 85 there is no throttling whatsoever.

[nikhsub1]

how do you know CoreTemp is reporting accurate temps

How do you know it isn't? Look, the fact of the matter is I believe it to be more accurate than the insocket thermistors. There are intel white papers on this stuff which the creator of the program used to make the proggie. Honestly I don't like seeing my load temps near 60C either, but it is what it is. I'd rather have the truth than have my head in the sand. I have contact TC who wrote the program, we'll see if he won't chime in here.

[dinos22]

i just don't understand how everything the same and two different motherboards (both DS3s) could have such major variation in reported temperature in Coretemp i mentioned earlier