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    Intel Haswell, Shark Bay platform, Quad-Core, 22nm, LGA1150 - Chiphell





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    Another socket??
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    Not sure i totally follow anything you said, but regardless of that you helped me come up with a very good idea....
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    This better hit 6Ghz stable on air with 22nm + intergrated VRs.

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    Another socket again Intel? You guys just started using 1155 and now they are going to make another one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K404 View Post
    Another socket??
    Does it really matter though?

    a) look at S775 that was around forever but you could not run every S775 Cpu in every S775 Mainboard, so whats the point of having the same physical socket if there are other differences that lead to incompatibilities?
    b) all current Intel Chipsets are seriously lacking if it comes to SATA 3 and USB 3, so we will need new Chipsets and with it new Mainboards anyway, so if we are already going to replace the Mainboards for other reasons, does it then still matter that the socket changes?

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    Every 2 years a new socket for mainstream and another for enthusiast.

    BTW, I dont see any expected performance improvements listed - all thats interesting to it are the new instruction sets, AVX 2.0 and FMA. They are obviously focusing on mobile form factors but the significance of these power saving technologies will become relevant only after IVB numbers are out - which IMO should be significantly better than SNB in the power department.

    But does anyone else feel Intel is again going back to its relaxed state akin to the pre K8 era ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono Detector View Post
    Another socket again Intel? You guys just started using 1155 and now they are going to make another one.
    If they had stuck with the same socket but required a new motherboard with a corresponding chipset/vrm then you would be complaining about that too.

    Heck, even llano is only getting the socket it currently uses. The next revision will be fm2.


    I love the progress of tech and this looks just as interesting as SB when that came out but the very heavy focus on mobile/low power is making me think about the inevitable move away from high performance desktops for the mass market. The m18x was a rather rude awakening for myself in that respect, it packs an enormous punch for something very portable compared to a desktop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naokaji View Post
    Does it really matter though?

    a) look at S775 that was around forever but you could not run every S775 Cpu in every S775 Mainboard, so whats the point of having the same physical socket if there are other differences that lead to incompatibilities?
    b) all current Intel Chipsets are seriously lacking if it comes to SATA 3 and USB 3, so we will need new Chipsets and with it new Mainboards anyway, so if we are already going to replace the Mainboards for other reasons, does it then still matter that the socket changes?
    /A I partially concede on, but theres still a much larger compatability pool.... a 2005 CPU will work on a mid 2008 mobo. X58 has the same level of support and it's a GOOD thing.

    /B..... yes... Intel should have had S-ATA3 and USB3 dealt with by now.... again, making us need new boards for the latest features. At least 3rd party controllers mean we can still have the features and aren't dependent on Intel.




    Maybe my recent opinion is tainted by s1156 and s1155. One pin difference? Everything about the socket says "ha ha, f***ed you over, buy more hardware" Now we get 1150 as well. 2015 relase: s1147.
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    new socket as i expected


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    I will play the devil advocate, but at the moment you can buy an IvyBridge, use it on your actual S1155 board, and then if you need or want it, move to S1150 boards..... I better like this, of just need buy an high end processor + high end motherboard at the same time. here i can buy 1 and then wait for the second. ( without saying, all brand board are not allways there at start ).

    At the same time, i remember have change my motherboard each time a new chipset was released with better overclocking capabilities on the Socket S775 times ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by K404 View Post
    Another socket??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tao~ View Post
    BTW, I dont see any expected performance improvements listed - all thats interesting to it are the new instruction sets, AVX 2.0 and FMA. They are obviously focusing on mobile form factors but the significance of these power saving technologies will become relevant only after IVB numbers are out - which IMO should be significantly better than SNB in the power department.
    Second slide.

    Also by now I would think ppl would have seen that with every new tick there is a new socket.

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    So what is Haswell exactly? Is it a brand new x86 core with redesigned pipeline or an IB "evolution" (or to be more precise "Core" evolution)? We know we will get AVX2 with 256bit integer instruction support and FMA3. But what about the core itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by informal View Post
    So what is Haswell exactly? Is it a brand new x86 core with redesigned pipeline or an IB "evolution" (or to be more precise "Core" evolution)? We know we will get AVX2 with 256bit integer instruction support and FMA3. But what about the core itself?
    I'm nowhere near an expert, but from what I've read it is an "evolved" 14 stage pipeline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet331 View Post
    Second slide.

    Also by now I would think ppl would have seen that with every new tick there is a new socket.
    That would be a tock.

    BTW, everything that uses SSE2 now will get a MAJOR boost with AVX2.
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    geeze wtf is wrong with intel?
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    Wait a min, I think someone should call up Intel and inform them that motherboards are not phones...
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    if u don't want to buy new mobo and cpu... don't, or buy amd.

    Amm 1 sec, amd do the same... high end socket (AM3+) and mid-low one (FM1) and new socket for new architecture.

    A-n-d if u got a 1366 mobo with I7 920@ 4GHZ at 2008 u still have +- the same performance as FX8150 at 4.5GHZ without changing any motherboard or CPU for 3 years.
    if u want more than that pay.

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    I am ok with new sockets every year until we get new features and considerable performance improvements.

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    Jeez guys, it is a new architecture with new requirements. Of course they're going to change the supporting board. Either go with SB-E and ride that wave for the next 2-3 years or go with IB and do the same. Hell, you could stick with a 4.5-5.0GHz SB and be happy for the next couple of years. So much complaining over something so far in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler View Post
    Hell, you could stick with a 4.5-5.0GHz SB and be happy for the next couple of years.
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    A lot of whining about sockets. Seriously, what did you expect?
    How often have an upgrade worked out well, as in >80 % of all the old boards worked with the new CPU (which didn't cost a leg)?

    S423: Willamette (No soup for you)

    S478: Northwood, Prescott (If you had the right board you got an unreasonably hot upgrade, in a bad way.)

    S775: Prescott, Cedar Mill (Honestly, Intel wasn't the most interesting choice at this point, so I don't remember.)

    S775 (again): Conroe, Wolfdale, (Older CPU's in newer boards possible. Didn't P35 boards have issues with 45 nm? Can't remember.)

    S1366: Bloomfield, Westmere (In reality, the awesome 920(930) never got a successor in terms of cost, something most buyers didn't know in 2008. SB became a better upgrade for most.)

    S1156: Lynnfield, Clarkdale (Upgrade this.)

    S1155: Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge

    S1150: Haswell, (Broadwell?)


    People are staring blindly at socket type while trying to remember how long S478 lasted, or S775.
    Nobody seem to remember the FSB that got raised many times, good luck using a 800 Mhz P4 in an older board. A FSB bump could be just as devastating as a new socket.
    Then we had RAMBUS, DDR, SATA, AGP, PCIe . . a lot of things happened in a few years, the socket type was just one of many issues you faced when upgrading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by informal View Post
    So what is Haswell exactly? Is it a brand new x86 core with redesigned pipeline or an IB "evolution" (or to be more precise "Core" evolution)? We know we will get AVX2 with 256bit integer instruction support and FMA3. But what about the core itself?
    IB is as related to Core as FX is related to K7...

    I'd expect first of all to have true 256bit data paths in the core and not using the int paths to do 256bit/cycle ( while nice and area friendly, it's not going to allow large speedups with avx and you have a warming up latency of around 70 cycles IIRC ).

    As for the uarch itself, it's done by the Nehalem team. It should bring some revolutionary stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naokaji View Post
    Does it really matter though?

    a) look at S775 that was around forever but you could not run every S775 Cpu in every S775 Mainboard, so whats the point of having the same physical socket if there are other differences that lead to incompatibilities?
    b) all current Intel Chipsets are seriously lacking if it comes to SATA 3 and USB 3, so we will need new Chipsets and with it new Mainboards anyway, so if we are already going to replace the Mainboards for other reasons, does it then still matter that the socket changes?
    they could reuse sockets longer. please don't try to re-rationalize something that is obvious. intel has always been the leader and they can do whatever they want. there is no law against being an and obsoleting your products. normally competition allows you to switch, voting with your money, but intel has no good competition.

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