im not saying its one way or another, im saying it should be better so wait the few days for benches.
also your not looking at the correct cards, go find a reference card or a better than reference dont compare a cut down POS. amd always puts out a good reference board but once sapphire or xfx get it they cut the prices by $30 or so and put a ty pcb out. the lowest price on newegg is $260 for a 5850 but the directCU that is the cheapest that can oc is $265/280 (on sale) but the cheapest reference or reference looking is $310. so if u are comparing $230-250 v 280-310 thats a nice cut and its a launch price so it should go down if NV brings something. ati had lost amd money for q3 so they need high margins or we wont get anything when ati is cut back
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