AMD Phenom II TWKR Black Edition spotted

[Zucker2k]

You know how chips are binned/sorted in factories, right? AMD doesn't bake a batch of chips and just call them Phenom II X4 955s. These chips are plucked from the lines because they fit certain electrical characteristics that the engineers believe falls in line with high frequency. Oh, and the snipe about the Q9650 is wrong, I don't think I've seen a Q9650 run a benchmark past 5GHz.

Obviously you read my post wrong. However, a super-binning is just what it is; we're yet to see what kinda overhead these chips have under extreme cold, where we all know PH II shines; as in, will these finally break the 7Ghz barrier. If there were such chips, the Scandinavian guys, and even Kingpin would have ocs by now showing those numbers. The fact that they don't for me says a lot. I mean all these guys play with are ES chips - at least in most of their record breaking attempts.

On the Q9650 vs this chip, I'm talking from the perspective of a regular system with mainstream cooling (air, water) for 24/7 use. Isn't that what matters. I mean, I'm yet to see anyone who uses ln2/lhe for 24/7 use?

[Smartidiot89]

Obviously you read my post wrong. However, a super-binning is just what it is; we're yet to see what kinda overhead these chips have under extreme cold, where we all know PH II shines; as in, will these finally break the 7Ghz barrier. If there were such chips, the Scandinavian guys, and even Kingpin would have ocs by now showing those numbers. The fact that they don't for me says a lot. I mean all these guys play with are ES chips - at least in most of their record breaking attempts.

On the Q9650 vs this chip, I'm talking from the perspective of a regular system with mainstream cooling (air, water) for 24/7 use. Isn't that what matters. I mean, I'm yet to see anyone who uses ln2/lhe for 24/7 use?

This chip is especially cut out for extreme conditions - so your point is?

[Zucker2k]

This chip is especially cut out for extreme conditions - so your point is?

I thought all PH IIs were? Or these ones will function at absolute zero? Try again. Or do you mean, these will function at 90c loads, like C2Q? That'll be a nice change, won't it?

[Smartidiot89]

I thought all PH IIs were? Or these ones will function at absolute zero? Try again. Or do you mean, these will function at 90c loads, like C2Q? That'll be a nice change, won't it?

No these are high-leakage chips which will OC very well under Phase, Ln2, LHe.

[G0ldBr1ck]

This is where I won't even bother trying to have a dicussion with a moron.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=226784

Edit: ah, you ninja edited. just pretend I made that quote up then.

[Zucker2k]

No these are high-leakage chips which will OC very well under Phase, Ln2, LHe.

These are not a new phenomena either; the high leakage chips have always been the preferred chips for cherry-picking. Or are you denying these chips are already in circulation? Cough* Cough* Chew* Sampsa*

[chew*]

These are not a new phenomena either; the high leakage chips have always been the preferred chips for cherry-picking. Or are you denying these chips are already in circulation? Cough* Cough* Chew* Sampsa*

The retails are binned from factory

The super high leakage never make it into retail or pre release retail variants. The electrical properties don't warrant it.

These chips are and don't take this as law but probably destined for the trash...they probably run hotter than average.....however with some ignenuity and quality air and or water cooling will exceed retails on the same cooling.

I personally would not submit records with cherry picked chips....unless they had there own class, enter the TWKR edition.

I submitted 1 4890 result which I have every intention of smashing and know for a fact that I can smash it or I wouldn't have submitted it.

I do have 1 ES left here but that chip can not match the retail

[Zucker2k]

The retails are binned from factory

The super high leakage never make it into retail or pre release retail variants. The electrical properties don't warrant it.

These chips are and don't take this as law but probably destined for the trash...they probably run hotter than average.....however with some ignenuity and quality air and or water cooling will exceed retails on the same cooling.

I personally would not submit records with cherry picked chips....unless they had there own class, enter the TWKR edition.

I submitted 1 4890 result which I have every intention of smashing and know for a fact that I can smash it or I wouldn't have submitted it.

Nice to know; I know you can tell us more about the oc headroom on these chips but you're under NDA so I won't bother. But could you give an indication between these and your best 955BE? Are these 965BEs or even 975BEs?

[G0ldBr1ck]

snip~ will these finally break the 7Ghz barrier. If there were such chips, the Scandinavian guys, and even Kingpin would have ocs by now showing those numbers. The fact that they don't for me says a lot.

Check the CPU-Z hall of fame.
7127.85 has been validated

http://valid.canardpc.com/records.php

EDIT: ok, some how missed that it was confirmed a fake. I only saw the accusations.

[chew*]

Check the CPU-Z hall of fame.
7127.85 has been validated

http://valid.canardpc.com/records.php

Thats a fake gold......confirmed by AMD themselves.

[Zucker2k]

Check the CPU-Z hall of fame.
7127.85 has been validated

http://valid.canardpc.com/records.php

I thought someone would bring this up, but those scores look suspect. I remember there were more that got taken down. Even AMD's own cherry-picked chips and in the hands of guys I trust, people like Sampsa, SF3D and Macci, and Kingpin, couldn't break that barrier. I want to see screenshots. Why would anyone go to those lengths without taking a screenshot? Beats me. The 7Ghz barrier is close enough that it's as well as broken by PH II, but that result is just not genuine, imo.

Edit: Thanks Chew, you beat me to it. Oh, if I might add, Chew is another person's result I would be looking at closely.

[chew*]

Well they submitted I think 2 or 3 with multis not possible.....just becasue they are there in bios does not mean they work.........So after considering it was a cheated result 2 or 3 times by the same guys......well if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck............