I hope this is not a hardware problem because if it is it's widespread throughout the 48XX ATI line of cards. My 4850 Xfire cards do this as well as my 4870Xfire cards.
I hope this is not a hardware problem because if it is it's widespread throughout the 48XX ATI line of cards. My 4850 Xfire cards do this as well as my 4870Xfire cards.
The little air system that could.
Originally Posted by AndreYang
I prove something to everyone.
My CPU speed is 6.4G. Look at my GT2. And comparing with some guys.
Why do I say some guy do bug run and submit?
I did 6.4G CPU speed full run 03. I believe no one did 6.4G+ 03 05 so far, only me did it. And my VGA clock 857/950 which is similar to some guys.
Look at my GT1 and GT4 which are very high, so this run is real run.
I didn't want to say who did bug run, but you guys looks for some results who did it bug.
Some guys use " BLACK SCREEN" to do bug run. Don't think nobody knew you did bug run and submit.
Andre please take a look at this run at the EXACT SAME CPU frequency as YOUR'S and please BUT PLEASE tell me that you NATURE (GT4) score is NOT "Black screen bugged" because you CANNOT archive it EVEN at 950 GPU Cores......
Just compare our GT1, GT2, GT3 scores and then the GT4 scores....What do you see?.....
.......AND guess what?.....My VGAs are at 870/1050 and yours are at 850/950.....
....YES GT4 ALSO suffers from the "black screen bug" and you already knew it....
I'll tell you what you were thinking by doing the "black screen bug" on the GT4....
You thought that you had the CPU power and you suffered as many of us from the "low 2k3"scores....
OK.....When KINC uploaded his 160k with his CPU at 6150MHz and you got ~155 - 157k at 6400MHz, you got mad and you "black screen BUGGED" the GT4 so to reach the 160k yourself.....NO?.....PLEASE TELL ME THAT I'm wrong....PLEASE....
WHY did you do it Andre?.....
WHO are you trying to persuade by saying the above?....Us or yourself...?....
P.S. Sorry for being aggressive BUT that's the way I react when I see the "wrong"....
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Last edited by hipro5; 10-03-2008 at 06:23 PM.
Andre's being sarcastic, he knows that run is a bugged run. Though I too would certainly prefer it if it were removed from hwbot/Futuremark.
NO....NOT his 160k run.....He ALWAYS INSISTS that it's a real run....
INTEL PWA FOR EVER
Dr. Who my arss...
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Can someone explain this to me please?.....What do we have here?....19K jump?....
It seems that the bench was run and produced 140k and after that run, it was RERUNED and produced 159k?....
GPU cores got warm from run to run to run the 2k3 and they produced that MUCH difference due to some bug?....
This screenshot was uploaded to hwbot lately.... I post it JUST for reference....
Last edited by hipro5; 10-03-2008 at 07:05 PM.
INTEL PWA FOR EVER
Dr. Who my arss...
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From looking at their compare link, the score looks okay.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=5953048
Though, that is really weird. Maybe they used setfsb while leaving 03 open?
Yes I know but HOW do you explain THAT MUCH GAP between those two scores?....
We are NOT talking about 1k or so gap here....We are talking about 19k gap.....Nineteen thousands....
INTEL PWA FOR EVER
Dr. Who my arss...
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No because the 2k3 would write down the FIRST "OPEN" frequency and not the "last" one of 6050MHz....
INTEL PWA FOR EVER
Dr. Who my arss...
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Hm true.
No idea.
ROFL 19K jump in points
who did that run
that's just retarded
mmmm you dont put up an obviously bugged run on HWBOT though
here is my run just for reference with lower clocks on CPU and similar GPU clocks
so i guess i shouldnt expect more than hipro5's score roughly at higher CPU clocks..................that suxwhy bother really if all those high scores are posted then
George are you sure you could not get a better score man. i mean you are on PCI Express frequency past 100MHz i'm sure (i was on 100MHz) and you are on dual 16x PCIe slots while my run is dual 8xPCie.....i thought it should be a bit better than what you got considering what setup you are benching on.....but i guess it is what it is
I can do ~157k MAX tweaked....
Maybe with the VGAs on LN2 I can pass ~ 165k ..maybe.....
P.S. My PCI-E frequency is at 133MHz....
INTEL PWA FOR EVER
Dr. Who my arss...
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damn
it just feels like its not worth benching when you can get beaten by someone running air cooling and 6GHz on CPU with those ultra high GT2/GT3
i didnt realise that '05 suffers from similar faith according to Zbogi
No he's not. I asked him over PM and the answer definitly was: "I find this score legit, who can judge over legit or not, who is able to say what's bugged and what's not".
Let's hope we find out soon
X2's on air are the way to go at the moment, as you can close in on the other just by clocking your cpu at 6.2G+. There's nothing wrong with benching partially on air, tbh, just makes the benching session a little easier then what we are used to. By the way, I don't know why almost no one takes these X2's for a spin in 3DM06. It seems that you need véry little cpu (<5.8G) speed to take the world record.
Does anyone have info on the 3DM05 anomality?
By the way, it looks like this problem is 100% VGA-related; in my Phenom/X2 testings, I do notice lower scores than I see on HWbot. Need more comparison material before I can jump to conclusions, though ... so people, let's bench the Phenom
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i am looking go get a bunch of VGA blocks and go watercooled
will mod the cards with my shaky hands...that will be really funny
i want to get 900+core on water which should be fairly easy
if i cant compete with these superduper GT2/GT3 i'll have to compete with higher clocks at least until the other guys get up to speed hahahah
Could the PLX chip be playing a part in this? Maybe it does need active cooling?
All along the watchtower the watchmen watch the eternal return.
The thought crossed my mind too ST. A lot of the people reporting low scores have used aftermarket cooling.
However the stock cooling for the PLX chip is a joke. It's just some phase change TIM with (no joke) plastic above it. :S
Not sure; I got high scores after I overclocked my cpu/nb, not after I cooled down/heated up the videocard.
If it's indeed the PLX chip that is half-defective, we should see a change in revisions, no? Maybe everyone should not down what's written on the PLX chip and mention if they have low or high scores.
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I think with PLX is OK.
Same bug with single 4870.
Lights, Music, Camera, Action !
Low GT2/GT3 bug?
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yes, FPS drops only in GT2/GT3
of course, switching off system and restart few times can change situation, like with 4870X2 )))
Lights, Music, Camera, Action !
Hm, weird, didn't see much problems with the 4870's on hwbot. Maybe the low GT2/3 is rare on 4870's and common on X2's.
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Last weekend, I asked ATI to send me more 4870X2s to prove "bug high" and "bug low" score on 3D03.
CCC is correct. Some cards' score are really low,but some cards aren't. All 3D03 score depend on cards. OS didn't effect any 03 score
Don't be mad if you got low score. You just are bad lucky to receive low score 3D03 cards. It doesn't effect 05 , 06 and vantage score. I have no idea about games.
I test 7 ATI 4870X2s. There are two cards "bug high" and another 5 cards sucks for 03.
Here is some results.
ALL are the same OS,HD, Memory,GPU BIOS ,motherboard and CPU.
I only change 4870X2s.
High score 4870X2s cards
3D03
3D05
3D0
Low score 4870X2s cards
3D03
3D05
3D06
"High score 4870X2s"
3D03 135330
3D05 31902
3D06 23711
"Low score 4870X2s"
3D03 127566
3D05 31831
3D06 23655
I will test all under LN2 soon.
Last edited by AndreYang; 10-06-2008 at 02:30 PM.
well this blows doesnt it
Lets begin guessing: voltage levels...
Its odd it only appears in highly CPU limited scenarios. I would guess the "bugged low" cards oc better than the "bugged high"...
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well if they did you would see bug low guys clocking higher on HWBOT which is not the case atm
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