AMD Ontario APU pictured,die size ~77mm^2

[informal]

Plus if the quote above is correct(there are no Atoms branded as Pentiums AFAIK),the Bobcat's x86 power may be the same as Penryn based ULV chips,which also work at lowish clocks. This in turn may be an indicator of Bulldozer's strength(since it should be considerably faster than Bobcat)

[Mechromancer]

9W!!!!!
awesome!

i might replace my culv with this if perf is decent and it overclocks!

This is the most positive post I've seen Saaya post in a long time....unless it is meant to be sarcastic. If not, I agree with this statement. An AMD laptop with great battery life and good GPU performance will be a sight to behold.

[ajaidev]

I hope it has a 80 SP gpu part 40 SP is kinda a bore, well because we had the 780GX the 785G and then 890GX with 40SP's and i wish they can bump up the stock gpu power even in such former factors.

A way to reduce power and keep 80SP's would be low clocks but then again the die size is very small, hopefully Hans takes a look at the die and tells us more...

But 9W is very impressive welldone AMD

[superrugal]

Plus if the quote above is correct(there are no Atoms branded as Pentiums AFAIK),the Bobcat's x86 power may be the same as Penryn based ULV chips,which also work at lowish clocks. This in turn may be an indicator of Bulldozer's strength(since it should be considerably faster than Bobcat)

Looks to me like it's rather a reference of Llano-core than bulldozer-core.
Things are become more & more interesting.

[Solus Corvus]

So it's not 25W after all.

[Chumbucket843]

80SP's ? You guy are very optimistic,I would speculate 40, maybe less if they change the shader groups.That would also be plenty to stomp over atom GPU and playback 1080p.

on 40nm 1 SIMD unit is ~16mm2. then again if this is fully synthesized it should be much larger.

[Mechanical Man]

on 40nm 1 SIMD unit is ~16mm2. then again if this is fully synthesized it should be much larger.

On the picture of die it seems there is gpu part on top of it and it is aproximately 25% of whole die, so it would be ~17,5nm^2.

There was second picture with larger onrario die, so it might be that those lower powered versions have 40sp + 2 cores and larger one has 80sp + 4 cores.

[RaV[666]]

It probably has 40sps, its tiny.
You people however seem to forget that this chip is intended for NETBOOKS, its atom competitor, not culvs.
And for what it is, it seems like a killer chip. cant wait for a proper netbook with this.

[Mechanical Man]

I just want that 18W tdp part, zacate for htpc. I do believe it has 80sp.

[duploxxx]

So it's not 25W after all.

it is depending on the intended platform, yes there will be 25W parts, for the desktop budget series with higher clocked parts

[Mechanical Man]

Something other came to my mind. How awesome would this be in HDTV itself, think about the performance compared to nowdays slow menus and crappy decoders.

[Sn0wm@n]

Something other came to my mind. How awesome would this be in HDTV itself, think about the performance compared to nowdays slow menus and crappy decoders.

its 2x more shaders then the onboard gpu on the 890gx mobo's ... and that igp isnt cheap when it comes to handling hdtv @ 1080p

[Chumbucket843]

On the picture of die it seems there is gpu part on top of it and it is aproximately 25% of whole die, so it would be ~17,5nm^2.

There was second picture with larger onrario die, so it might be that those lower powered versions have 40sp + 2 cores and larger one has 80sp + 4 cores.

that looks like cache to me. the four quadrants in the middle is most likely where the bobcat and gpu cores are.

It probably has 40sps, its tiny.
You people however seem to forget that this chip is intended for NETBOOKS, its atom competitor, not culvs.
And for what it is, it seems like a killer chip. cant wait for a proper netbook with this.

i guarantee you they wont make a 40sp igp. that's not possible with their arch.

[spursindonesia]

These chips smell like full of wins for AMD, unlike the cloud of doubts that still linger regarding Bulldozer. I wish you the best AMD, and i long for the day that i'm coming back in using AMD CPU.

[Chumbucket843]

These chips smell like full of wins for AMD, unlike the cloud of doubts that still linger regarding Bulldozer. I wish you the best AMD, and i long for the day that i'm coming back in using AMD CPU.

i wish the worst for every company because i am a consumer. i want the worst margins possible. there is no sense in supporting a corporation that doesnt care about my community. all amd wants is my money and they will have to earn it. they certainly are not entitled to it for being amd although for some this isnt a problem.

[Hans de Vries]

Regards, Hans

[informal]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us Hans .I suppose you meant KB (units) instead of MB? In anyway,Bobcat cores are tiny compared to Atom's,while performance should be in a different league(as AMD's stated ,Core based Dual Core Pentiums).

[The Coolest]

The pic says 512 MB cache instead of KB.
Also since that isn't a snapshot all the components on the die, it's hard to tell what is what. I'm no expert, but the top part certainly looks like it's a block of cache memory.

[Boissez]

Regards, Hans

Fitting two bobcat cores within one atom core is nothing short of outstanding.

I just hope that the Vaio X will get an ontario upgrade - that would undoubtly be my next laptop.

[god_43]

lolz the gpu is bigger than the core.

[hurleybird]

Wuuuuttt....

[iMacmatician]

http://www.chip-architect.com/news/ontario_vs_atom.jpg

Regards, Hans

4.6 mm^2… *mindblown*

That's incredible, especially when compared to 9.7 mm^2 Atom core.

This also somewhat shows the focus of each company in regards to CPU and GPU, because if the grainy purple stuff to the right of the Atom cores is the GPU, then AMD is devoting over 2x the die area to GPU as it does to CPU, in contrast to Intel which devotes similar area to GPU and CPU. Although that's not surprising given Llano vs. Sandy Bridge.

[LightSpeed]

4.6mm^2 Bobcat. Holy ")($&!")_"(%

Hows the cache density higher than Atom's though? Doesnt intel always have higher cache densities in general? Hard to believe ..

[Chumbucket843]

lolz the gpu is bigger than the core.

yeah, that threw me off. hans cleared that up for me. i thought the cores were the cache. it's not all that surprising though. almost every system has a bigger gpu die than cpu die here. when you look at what a low power processor like that needs, graphics performance is more important to the user thus more die area for graphics means higher performance.

4.6mm^2 Bobcat. Holy ")($&!")_"(%

Hows the cache density higher than Atom's though? Doesnt intel always have higher cache densities in general? Hard to believe ..

SRAM cell size for intel's 45nm process: .346um^2
high density SRAM cell size for TSMC's 40G process: .242um^2

43 percent denser.

[generics_user]

holy this thing is small!

90% the performance of a 45nm K10 core at 1/4 of the die area
they canmsqueeze 16 bobcat cores onto the same die size as 4 K10 cores...

Bulldozer is supposed to be 2 times larger than bobcat at a smaller process node so it really has to do some serious damage!