[Computex 2010]AMD to show Fusion tomorrow

[Manicdan]

my opinion is that the lack of a serious gpu in every pc is whats holding back gpu accelerated effects. if gpu based blueray reduces power by 20%, thats 20% more battery life while watching moves (no clue how likely that could be, its just an example). sure it seems like a fast duel or mid speed quad in laptops is fine, but thats based on the fact weve had nothing but cpus managing things that it shouldnt, and probably dont know what it would be like if fusion came out a decade ago (before the laptop boom).

[informal]

Rick Bergman just said they are sampling Ontario too ,and demoing at Computex(behind closed doors).Launch is the same as Llano,H1. So now both Fusion designs are right on schedule.

[richierich]

If that's true good for AMD

[informal]

Demo starts now. It was Llano running AVP2 running DX11,although rather short.
Now they are demoing APU accelerating flash(IE).

[Blacky]

Sad presentation, poor effort on the presentation by AMD imo.

[Nintendork]

The recorded press conference:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/7382763

[Solus Corvus]

Lame. Just a bunch of marketing BS till about 58 min and then only a ~30 second avp demo.

[JumpingJack]

Lame. Just a bunch of marketing BS till about 58 min and then only a ~30 second avp demo.

The 30 sec clip was a bit disappointing I believe, would like to have seen some rendering with actual combat/enemy entities in the world to get a good feel for game play. No lamer, though, than the sandy bridge demo....

[Kal El]

i do not understand, is this a cpu or gpu? this is for laptops right?

[Xoulz]

I haven't seen anything from AMD deliver competitive performance in the low power segment. I haven't seen a AMD based laptop win a editor choice or even a recommendation from any website.

It might be a game changer performance wise, but AMD has an aweful stigma following it when it comes to laptops and unlike its desktops chips, its well deserved. Unless they market their chips properly(i.e The AMD vision program stinks), even if it is the greatest chip in the world, it won't do them that much.

One stigma AMD will need to fight too is the idea that a gaming laptop cannot be using an integrated chip.



Unless your mother is a gamer, I can't see your mom stressing her graphics chip. Unless its a Atom that needs a graphics chip to accelerate HD video, which is still pretty rare, a powerful GPU is useless.

The general public will always want more powerful CPUs over GPU's because time is money. Additionally have both a powerful gpu and cpu takes a hit on battery life.

The OS stresses even most IGP. Bro we have 64bit OS's with nice features. HTPC is another area, that people use more than CPU. Everything you do is visual... everything!

[haylui]

Lame. Just a bunch of marketing BS till about 58 min and then only a ~30 second avp demo.

I thought it is way better than Intel SB demo?
Intel demos un-comparable screen for SB and i7 with discreet graphic card...lol

[Mech0z]

When is it the first devices with this is supposed to be released?

[Florinmocanu]

H1 2011. Probably in spring. Maybe we will see the cpus arrive a bit earlier, for those looking for a nice htpc cpu.

[biohead]

i do not understand, is this a cpu or gpu? this is for laptops right?

it's both, that's the point of fusion.

[vardirox]

There is a saying..."small grains of sand can fuse into weapons of advanced micro dominance"

[informal]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/19773...els_spies.html

Interesting fact is that Bergman actually said that it was the "low-power" version of Fusion running the AVP2 DX11 demo and we know what is the low power version-it's not Llano.It's Ontario.If Ontario can do this than Llano should be a killer.

[Sn0wm@n]

Llano on am3 would be dreaming right???

[informal]

Unfortunately yes... There is integrated PCIe controller inside Llano,so a new socket is a must. Maybe there will be non-gpu version in 2011,just a Propus-like Athon III X4,with faster (Llano) cores and no L3.

[informal]

More evidence it was actually Bobcat(Ontario) running the AVP2 demo is the following line Bergman said: "Can you imagine getting this sort of performance on a Netbook this size?" .
We know Ontario is targeted @ the netbook segment. Easy riddle .

EDIT:

It's confirmed,it's Ontario!
http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=8867

Ryan Shrout from PCPer said in the article that he knows for sure the demo was done on Ontario silicon(and confirmed indirectly by what Bergman said about targeted netbook segment).
"Specifics were light, but I do know that the APU being shown was not the desktop variant built on 32nm technology but rather was the 40nm Ontario core built at TSMC and aimed at the Atom markets. AMD obviously feels they have a strong advantage in this market with the APU as they are putting focus on it rather than the Llano-based notebook and desktop parts that were originally billed to be the first Fusion parts available. If you were reading this hoping to get a hint of the clock speeds, die sizes or shader counts for Ontario you and I are both disappointed - AMD continues to hold that very close to the chest."

So if a 2way low power Bobcat core with ~80SPs and dual channel 1333Mhz IMC can do this,it's game over in APU department.SB better have some awesome/reworked IGP core inside.

[Sn0wm@n]

ahtlon III this sounds interesting... all on 32nm right???

[ridney]

wow, i can't wait to get one of these on a notebook, my wife would be really happy

[imamage]

I can't wait to get my hands on one next year

[Aerwidh]

More evidence it was actually Bobcat(Ontario) running the AVP2 demo is the following line Bergman said: "Can you imagine getting this sort of performance on a Netbook this size?" .
We know Ontario is targeted @ the netbook segment. Easy riddle .

EDIT:

It's confirmed,it's Ontario!
http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=8867

Ryan Shrout from PCPer said in the article that he knows for sure the demo was done on Ontario silicon(and confirmed indirectly by what Bergman said about targeted netbook segment).
"Specifics were light, but I do know that the APU being shown was not the desktop variant built on 32nm technology but rather was the 40nm Ontario core built at TSMC and aimed at the Atom markets. AMD obviously feels they have a strong advantage in this market with the APU as they are putting focus on it rather than the Llano-based notebook and desktop parts that were originally billed to be the first Fusion parts available. If you were reading this hoping to get a hint of the clock speeds, die sizes or shader counts for Ontario you and I are both disappointed - AMD continues to hold that very close to the chest."

So if a 2way low power Bobcat core with ~80SPs and dual channel 1333Mhz IMC can do this,it's game over in APU department.SB better have some awesome/reworked IGP core inside.

This sounds cool, indeed!

This (from informal's link) might also be of some interest:

The demonstration of the APU hardware wasn't the only point brought home by AMD at the press conference. The company also announced the formation of the AMD Fusion Fund that would be making investments in companies that display an innovative solution to take advantage of AMD Fusion APUs and their unique hardware capabilities. By simply submitting an application to AMD a software development house that can showcase the ability to drive demand for the combined CPU+GPU product could get funding to continue their work.

Obviously AMD's intent is to increase the demand for both GPU-accelerated applications as well as heterogeneous programs that could take advantage of both CPU and GPU components of the APU. Even though we are essentially combining a current generation processors with the integrated graphics of an IGP motherboard chipset (in very basic terms) there are new complications and new benefits this merger provides and AMD is demonstrating the desire to find them.

This sounds like a serious attempt by AMD to get people onto the Fusion bandwagon.


Edit -

The recorded press conference:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/7382763

Nice, laid back music in the beginning

[LesGrossman]

isn't bobcat a new arch? A cut down bulldozer?

So it's bulldozer ready and waiting for 32nm?

[informal]

isn't bobcat a new arch? A cut down bulldozer?

So it's bulldozer ready and waiting for 32nm?

Yes it's a cut down BD,with half the resources per "mini" core(the ones inside the BD module) and cut down FPU(no FMAC and no AVX). Still AMD claims it offers ~90% of today's Athlon II performance in half the die area.
BD cores are 32nm highk/mg+SOI while Ontario/Bobcat is 40nm bulk. Llano(based on Deneb) on the other hand,a Quad/Dual core with 480SPs is 32nm highk/mg+SOI design and it taped out in Nov last year and is demoed too @ Computex(behind closed doors though).Both Fusion designs are being sampled to select partners now.

Edit:
Confirmed by AMD too that the Fusion system was based on Ontario!
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...n-1013746.html