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    That GTX 480 Vantage run was done with PhysX enabled. If PhysX was disabled it would be well behind the 5870 runs(unless I'm estimating the score wrong).

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    ^how do you know it was with PhysX enabled ?
    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurleybird View Post
    Well, Nvidia is 6 months late with the hardware, but that doesen't necessarily mean their driver team is also 6 months behind, does it?
    probably not 6, but a few im sure.

    and time will tell what this card can do. since its built for dx11, which just got here. if there is any optimization to be made on dx11 titles, nvidia is probably going to get the most out of it.

    that said, i believe that this card even though is a new architecture, does not have that much of an increase over the old one. 3870-4870 was great, this i dont think comes even close to that kind of a jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurleybird View Post
    Well, Nvidia is 6 months late with the hardware, but that doesen't necessarily mean their driver team is also 6 months behind, does it?
    I don't think it would be possible for them to validate the card without in house drivers so I would imagine the driver team has had plenty of time up till now. However once the cards start shipping in qty and the end users start utilizing them there are bound to be issues that didn't happen in the labs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annihilat0r View Post
    ^how do you know it was with PhysX enabled ?
    The extremely high CPU test 2 gives it away. Compare it against http://hwbot.org/community/submissio...70_52193_marks

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    4 days left i need to retire my 8800GTX for physx and use a new Card common Nvidia give me something worthy...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebluemeanie1 View Post
    That GTX 480 Vantage run was done with PhysX enabled. If PhysX was disabled it would be well behind the 5870 runs(unless I'm estimating the score wrong).
    Wether PhysX is used or not doesn't effect the base GPU score and that is the only thing people should be comparing. Comparing CPU scores mean all. Yes it effects the total but not as much as people think. I still insist that people only look at the gpu score when comparing ( for non benching purposes; eg comparing gpus, not identical configs ) and not total as it is misleading none the less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manicdan View Post
    that said, i believe that this card even though is a new architecture, does not have that much of an increase over the old one. 3870-4870 was great, this i dont think comes even close to that kind of a jump.
    dont you mean 2900xt-4870 was great jump? dont forget the 3870 had just a shrink over the 2900xt 80nm-55nm dx10 -10.1 thats it if i remember correctly (g80-g92 type of thing)

    i hope nv gets 3d03 to run alot better with the 4xx cards like ati does with the last two series
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    Quote Originally Posted by japamd View Post
    Graphical view to easily spot the differences


    If we take the score posted a few posts ago (X9322), the graph changes a bit
    Nice plots! Thx!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurleybird View Post
    Well, Nvidia is 6 months late with the hardware, but that doesen't necessarily mean their driver team is also 6 months behind, does it?
    exactly, they had working silicon for much longer than they usually do before they actually launch and sell the cards... so if anything, the drivers should be better thanks to the delay, not worse...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldon View Post
    given 4 months the gap will probably be more like 15%~20% with mature nv drivers.
    And then there will be Hecatoncheires...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vipeax View Post
    And then there will be Hecatoncheires...
    and fermi 2 @ 28nm

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Sweeper_ View Post
    and fermi 2 @ 28nm
    I might wait for Fermi 1.1 aka the 580 or maybe just hold out for Fermi 1.2 aka the 680.

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    you mean 512?
    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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    Bleh, was hoping for a bit better result for the GTX470, I guess I'll see for sure in reviews but might be ponying up for a 480 if those scores are on-target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vipeax View Post
    And then there will be Hecatoncheires...
    This name is even worse than Windows Phone 7 Series...
    Notice any grammar or spelling mistakes? Feel free to correct me! Thanks

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    250W TDP for 480. Hmmm.... Do you think my Antec Earthwatts 500 will handle this plus a Q9650 OC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by natty View Post
    250W TDP for 480. Hmmm.... Do you think my Antec Earthwatts 500 will handle this plus a Q9650 OC?
    It would probably work in general but would be pushing the power supply to its max depending on how much cpu and gpu load is applied at any one time, running prime and say fur at the same time might kick the ocp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highoctane View Post
    It would probably work in general but would be pushing the power supply to its max depending on how much cpu and gpu load is applied at any one time, running prime and say fur at the same time might kick the ocp.
    Would that be a harmless crash or could it actually damage the system?

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    It could damage the system. But go with it anyway, Fight The Power
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    Quote Originally Posted by mindfury View Post
    Again... that is supposedly a picture of GT215.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highoctane View Post
    It would probably work in general but would be pushing the power supply to its max depending on how much cpu and gpu load is applied at any one time, running prime and say fur at the same time might kick the ocp.
    A system with my specs in a firingsquad review pulled around 410w from the wall:

    i7 920 overclocked
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    several case fans

    So, a GTX 480 with a 250w TDP, and let's say 240w real-world draw... compared to the 5870 with a 170-180w draw if I recall correctly, would make you hit around 470w... so as was said above, with an Earthwatts 500w you're going to be pushing it: it will run but it will definitely be hitting the PSU hard, I wouldn't count on overclocking the vidcard at all. I think the quad you have is a little lighter on power draw, but same difference for the most part.
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    Even if the eventual system load is "only" 400W... I still wouldn't push a PSU to near its max load ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post
    A system with my specs in a firingsquad review pulled around 410w from the wall:

    i7 920 overclocked
    6gb ddr3
    radeon 5870 stock
    2 hard drives
    1 ssd (in mine, at least =p)
    several case fans

    So, a GTX 480 with a 250w TDP, and let's say 240w real-world draw... compared to the 5870 with a 170-180w draw if I recall correctly, would make you hit around 470w... so as was said above, with an Earthwatts 500w you're going to be pushing it: it will run but it will definitely be hitting the PSU hard, I wouldn't count on overclocking the vidcard at all. I think the quad you have is a little lighter on power draw, but same difference for the most part.
    Um, can you link me to that? Xbit shows the real power draw of a 5870 to be more like 130W,. I'd be surprised if an overclocked i7 used even 150W. 500W should be fine for a q9650 and a 250W video card. The 9650 uses around 60W at stock, so even if it's OC'd and consumes 100W, he still isn't going to push the limits of the PSU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zerazax View Post
    Even if the eventual system load is "only" 400W... I still wouldn't push a PSU to near its max load ever
    Yeah, it's not good for it and definitely will burn it out faster, also to keep in mind is with heat the output capacity drops... so if the system runs hot, it's going to drag you below the technical maximum regardless. I agree that it would be smart for him to swap to a new PSU if he's going for the 480.

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