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  1. 11-15-2009, 02:35 PM #1
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    SR56xx Chipsets:sr5690,sr5670,sr5650 and sp5100.

    WIP
    These new chipsets should be the "backbone" of all AMD based systems for the next ~2 years.
    This includes the upcoming Opteron 6000 series (Magny Cores socket g34,2P-4P) and most likely the Opteron 4000 series( socket c32 1P-2P).




    Product Overview

    Three different configurations to meet your needs, the SR5690, SR5670 and the SR5650.
    All three versions offer:
    HyperTransportTM 3.0 technology, PCIe Generation 2, SATA 2.5 and USB 2.0. Additionally all three
    offer enterprise features such as HT error handling, PCIe AER, Data Poisoning Passthrough, PCIe end-to-end CRC
    and AMD-Vi (IOMMU 1.2).

    Scalability:
    All three combinations of Embedded Enterprise Chipsets (SR5690/SP5100, SR5670/SP5100, SR5650/SP5100) are
    compatible with all AMD embedded processors including high performance AMD Opteron™ processors, socketed
    AM2 low power single and dual-core AMD Athlon™ processors and very low power AMD Athlon, AMD Sempron™and AMD Turion™ ASB1 (BGA) processors.
    In addition two I/O bridges can be used in the same system in any
    combination (SR5690/SR5690, SR5690/SR5670, etc).






    Processor Support:
    Embedded AMD OpteronTM Processors
    Embedded AMD AthlonTM Single and Dual-Core Processors from 8W to 35W
    Both AM2 and ASB1 packages
    Embedded AMD TurionTM Processors
    Embedded AMD SempronTM Processors
    I/O Bridge

    HyperTransportTM 3 Technology
    5.2GT/s peak bandwidth
    Compatible with HT1 processors in HT1 mode
    PCI Express® Generation 2
    o SR5690 (42 lanes/11 engines)
    - Two x16, one x16 + two x8, four x8
    - Six x1 configurable in combinations of x1, x2 or x4
    - One x4 configurable as x4, x2 or x1
    - PCI Express Hot Plug
    SR5670 (30 lanes/9 engines)
    - One x16, two x8, three x8
    - Six x1 configurable in combinations of x1, x2 or x4
    SR5650 (22 lanes/8 engines)
    - One x16, two x8
    - Six x1 configurable in combinations of x1, x2 or x4
    Southbridge
    > PCI 2.3 Interface
    o Up to 6 master devices
    > Six SATA 2.5 Ports
    o Support for SATA 1.5 and 3.0 compatible devices
    o RAID 0,1,10
    o e-SATA
    o Hyperflash
    > IDE Interface
    o Single PATA channel supporting two devices
    > High Definition Audio
    o Unified Audio Architecture compatible
    o Four independent streams
    > SMBus 2.0
    > LPC Bus
    o Support for TPM version 1.1/1.2 devices
    o Supports SPI devices
    > Hardware Monitor
    o Fan Control
    o Watchdog Timer
    Power Management
    > Dual Dynamic Power Management
    o Separate power planes for cores and memory controller
    > AMD PowerNow!TM technology and Cool’n’QuietTM technology support
    Operating System Support
    > Windows Vista® Operating System
    > Windows® XP and XPe Operating Systems
    > Windows 7 and Windows 7 Embedded
    > Linux® Operating System
    > Windows Server 2003
    > Windows Server 2008




    Speculation:
    The desktop version will most likely be know as RD890 and
    if History repeats itlesf - we'll see something like:
    890fx (sr5690) 890x (sr5670) and 870 (sr5650),similar
    to the 7 series (790fx,790x,770)
    ************************************************
    Motherboards utilizing the new SR56xx chip sets available
    today on the market:

    Desktop/1p Server:

    Tyan S8005
    Chipset AMD SR5670 + SP5100
    HT3,DDR3.

    3 "Flavours" are available with onboard SAS option being the major difference.
    (See attached - pic1)
    http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=647

    2P Server:
    Tyan s8212
    http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=651

    Chipset: AMD SR5690 + SP5100
    PCI-E (1) PCI-E Gen.2 x8 slot (w/ x4 link) / (1) PCI-E Gen.2 x8 slot / (1) PCI-E Gen.2 x16 slot (w/ x16 or x8 link) / (1) PCI-E Gen.2 x8 slot (w/ x0 or x8 link)
    Recommended TYAN Riser Card M2083-RS, PCI-E x16 1U riser card (left) / M2091, PCI-E x16 1U riser card (left)
    PCI (2) PCI 32-bit slots

    Again 3 "flavours" are available with 8 SAS being the difference.

    (See attached - pic2)

    SuperMicro


    H8DI3+

    AMD SR5690 + SP5100 Chipset

    2x PCI-e 2.0 x16 (x8 signals),
    1x PCI-e 2.0 x8 (x4 signals),
    1x PCI-e 2.0 x8,
    2x PCI-X 133/100

    Now this is the board that caught my attention right away:
    H8DA6+-F

    http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/moth...0/H8DA6+-F.cfm
    Dual AMD SR5690 + SP5100 Chipset

    It allows 4 double-wide (16x) PCIe 2.0 GPUs.
    (See Attached Pic5)
    Ask Particle about details
    I do believe that Crossfire is supported.



    http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/moth...0/H8DA6+-F.cfm





    References:


    http://www.channelregister.co.uk/200...rano_chipsets/

    http://www.amd.com/us/products/embed...90-sp5100.aspx

    http://www.amd.com/us/Documents/4758...pset_brief.pdf

    http://www.supermicro.com/newsroom/p...690_SP5100.cfm

    http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/moth...d/Opteron2000/

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=233565
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  2. 11-15-2009, 02:36 PM #2
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    Reserved for pics.

    Supermicro pics and specs will be added for sure. (next 2days).
    For now:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...sr5690&x=0&y=0

    vvvv

    Supermicro 2P H8DA6+-F board and server
    4021GA-62R+F

    4P H8QI6-F board (Not really an option -too much $$$
    for the 4P 8xxx series Opteron CPUs)

    2P on the other hand are very affordable:

    Quad-Core AMD Opteron 2378 $174

    http://www.amd.com/us/products/prici...r-opteron.aspx
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  3. 11-15-2009, 02:49 PM #3
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    Don't forget about Supermicro's boards. I've been using a dual SR5690 chipset board for about a month now--H8DAi+-F.
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    Some everest benches I found.
    We're looking for the:


    12x Opteron 2431 2400 MHz Supermicro H8DI3+-F SR5690 Unganged Dual DDR2-800R 6-6-6-18 CR1

    It's a 2Processor (2P) server board,Extended ATX,DDR2r etc..,see below:

    http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/moth...0/H8DI3+-F.cfm

    latest everest is here,thx to stasio

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=216918&page=5
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    I don't know if it's officially supported, but yes, crossfire works just fine on these boards. I've been using two 4850s together and they're even split across PCIe slots controlled by different northbridges.
    Particle's First Rule of Online Technical Discussion:
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    Rule 2A:
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    Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!

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  6. 11-16-2009, 10:58 AM #6
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    what happened to that tool where you could see ur pcie bandwidth? it was for ati cards i believe

    found it

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=225823

    can u test your cards out for us particle?
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    Sure.

    Particle's First Rule of Online Technical Discussion:
    As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.

    Rule 1A:
    Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.

    Rule 2:
    When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.

    Rule 2A:
    When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.

    Rule 3:
    When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.

    Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!

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    looks off.. ( more on gpu-cpu than cpu-gpu )does it show device 0 and device 1? what is ur pci-e speed?
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    The PCIe link is at PCIe 2.0 x16 for both cards
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    so 100 mhz?

    idk take a look around in that thread, it might just be 4xxx series problem. i seen guys with 5xxx cards with much better bandwidth, gpu-cpu AND cpu-gpu.
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    Mine is x8 - Particle numbers (cpu to gpu)are ~twice as high.
    Maybe the program takes a bit longer with 2 cpu and
    2 NB chipsets for GPU toCPU?

    cpu is X3 710@3450
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    Quote Originally Posted by i found nemo View Post
    so 100 mhz?

    idk take a look around in that thread, it might just be 4xxx series problem. i seen guys with 5xxx cards with much better bandwidth, gpu-cpu AND cpu-gpu.
    Yes, HD58xx is much faster in this test than HD48xx series.
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    I'm interested in seeing any onboard ssd raid0 tests on these boards and compare to the lackluster onboard sb750 raid.
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    Has anyone noticed that a lower clocked,"12 threaded" opteron in beating 16 threaded Xeon in a few benches?
    Added some SuperMicro pics in post 2.


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    are there any dual socket am3's ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridney View Post
    are there any dual socket am3's ?
    nope, other way dual socket F without registered memoery teoretically possible (remember 4x4), but seems very unlikely
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridney View Post
    are there any dual socket am3's ?
    Not at the moment as it would require a "special" cpu (like opterons 2xxx but with DDR3 support) with at least 2 HT links.
    One to connect to the second cpu socket, and the other to connect to the North Bridge chipset/input-output.
    All AM3/Am2 cpus have only 1 HT link - used for NB/input-output.Something like that I think.


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    Are you sure the Phenom 2s have only 1 HTT link? I thought they were the desktop version of the Shanghai core, and the Shanghai is capable of dual socket board use, In fact Im using them right now. The Shanghai's are uber cheap too, so if they were made special wouldnt they cost more? I got my dual socket F CPUs for only $177 each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EniGmA1987 View Post
    Are you sure the Phenom 2s have only 1 HTT link? I thought they were the desktop version of the Shanghai core, and the Shanghai is capable of dual socket board use, In fact Im using them right now. The Shanghai's are uber cheap too, so if they were made special wouldnt they cost more? I got my dual socket F CPUs for only $177 each.
    The cores are the same,but the actual CPUs (all cores,memory controller etc) are different - take the pin count for example 1207 vs 940/938.

    Does your 2P board allows over clocking?
    Trying to find one that does and add a couple of 2378s to go with it.thx.
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