Hi Simps,Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
I'll give you what you want. I never tried that 500x7 cause it's a piece of cake for this board, but maybe I'm wrong :rolleyes:
I'm pretty confident the UD3P can beat the Asus not only in Stability but Memory Speeds using the same timmings and instead of those volts I will try less VTT and less Vcore and another thing I will do it with 4Gb Kit not 2Gb's.
Give me some time today (yay for Dr. Martin King) :up:
I'd like to know too. I gave in a put an antec spot cool pointing at mine for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatguy1992
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
sweet :up:
Best way to air cool the NB with the stock HS is to first take that ridiculus heat blokling sink out, use a hairdryer to warm up the double sided tape then carefully start removing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatguy1992
Then all you need is 2 little 40x20mm CoolJag's blowing that area. Bigger then that I think iot will hit your CPU HS.
hmm the different is quite large, mine are like 1.98 or 2.02 in Windows for bios set 2.0vQuote:
Originally Posted by Kumakichi
not sure about rev. 1.1 boards, or the rest of boards that i don't own for that matter.
besides it's just like that for your particular board, softwere program that you use for the monitoring,
not sure whether or not power supply effects this.
it should be easily running esp with a higher multi cpu like your Q9650.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
sorry i missed this post, i didn't notice it yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
anyway, so this is your last message...
"I tried the settings and I was able to boot into windows. First time since trying to go to 4GHz, but it BSOD after about 5 min in Prime 95. Looks like this might be teh right path."
now i know you use the setting above, but you will want to tell me again, all the voltage value setting in your BIOS include the exact and the rest of your settings.
i figured that way. I was wanting to do it a quicker way.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedEuphoria
Wow, nice to read that! Remember, I am not trying to do any competition. I just believe, by doing comparisons like this, is the best way to understand differences on the boards...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
I am on 7x500 because I have a first revision B3 65nm quad, so 8x500 is a no no for it for 24/7 on air, and I am all aircooled. And I don't have a 7.5 multiplier. You have a Q9650, so 3.5GHz is doable on 1.2Vcore or less I don't know. So we won't be able to tell anything about which board is allowing lower vcore, because the CPU's are just, not comparable.
But other board voltages required, and board temperatures (aircooled), and stability on 500FSB will be comparable between the boards.
vPLL, vFSB, vNB and board temps (NB, etc) and stability will probably be the best things to compare, so make sure you show that on your screenshot.
Just remember to do the same stability test I did.
20 IBT runs on max stress and 7h prime blend, or we won't be comparing apples to apples too, as I can lower volts to do quicker stress tests too.
About memory speeds, that is not comparable too. I have used DDR2-1000 on that 500FSB run, and that is a 1:1 divider, witch only gives PL10 on Maximus II Formula. On UD3P I know that you can do PL9 or less on 1:1 divider, so its not apples to apples. I can run 500FSB DDR2-1200, because that is 5:6 divider, and then I can use PL8 or PL7, then we could compare memory bandwidth. I just used DDR2-1000 on that run, because I thought it would be easier for people to clock ram there, so people with no high-end ram would be able to compare results too. And ir would also reduce impact of 2x1GB ram vs 2x2GB ram.
Also you can see my PSU rails on the screenshot. 12v is 12v, 5v is 5v, 3.3v is 3.3v. No messing with 12.6v on that rail for me. Just plain stock PSU used.
Thanks for helping on the comparison.
I am curious about results.
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Simps
Quote:
Originally Posted by pangingIII
here are my actual settings. The only place that I deviated from your suggestion was the LLC. I have read a few posts that talk about how LLC is bad for 45nm CPUs.
Code:MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio .......................: 9
Fine CPU Clock Ratio...................: 0.0
CPU Frequency .........................: 4.05 GHz (450X9)
Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control.................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 450
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ...........: Auto
C.I.A.2 ...............................: [Disabled]
Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive........................: 700mV
PCI Express Clock Drive................: 700mV
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
MCH Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance....................: [Turbo]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)........: [Auto]
(G)MCH Frequency Latch.................: [333MHz]
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.4B
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................: 1080
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time.......................: 5
tRCD ..................................: 5
tRP'...................................: 5
tRAS...................................: 15
Advanced Timing Control
tRRD...................................: 4
tWTR...................................: 4
tWR....................................: 12
tRFC...................................: 68
tRTP...................................: 4
Command Rate (CMD) ....................: Auto
Driving Strength Profiles
Driving Strength ......................: Auto
Channel A
Static tRead Value.....................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [AUTO]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
DDR Write Training.....................: [AUTO]
Channel B
Static tRead Value.....................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [AUTO]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
DDR Write Training.....................: [AUTO]
Motherboard Voltage Control
CPU
Load-Line Calibration..................: [Disabled]
CPU Vcore..............................: 1.325v
CPU Termination........................: 1.26V
CPU PLL................................: 1.50V
CPU Reference..........................: [AUTO]
MCH/ICH
MCH Core...............................: 1.26V
MCH Reference..........................: 0.740v
MCH/DRAM Ref...........................: [AUTO]
ICH I/O................................: 1.500V
ICH Core...............................: 1.100V
DRAM
DRAM Voltage...........................: 1.9v
DRAM Termination ......................: [AUTO]
Channel A Reference....................: [AUTO]
Channel B Reference ...................: [AUTO]
Simps....what is your point in comparing the Asus Maximus II Formula to these Gigabyte UD3 boards? I'm trying to see where you are going with this and I'm still not sure if you are trying to bash the board or what?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQQKY
Man, I am a member since 2002, older then all of you guys. Registered just after Fugger, like you :)
I am not a troll, I am not bashing anything. There is no "win / lose" in this comparison. Reason of this, is that I am trying to understand if 16 phase power of asus boards are really overkill or not. Since UD3P uses 6 phase power only, if it can handle same stability and clocks on same voltages, then I don't see any reason for the crazy 16 phase them. Of course, for that, a quad 4.5GHz + on 500FSB would be ideal for testing. But I only have a 65nm quad B3 aircooled, so that is impossible for me. So, lets do it on 7x500 and see what happens.
If you are interested in which board win "will", believe me its prbably the UD3P, the other guy is testing on a Q9650, a 45nm processor that will require much less VTT and PLL then my 65nm quad, to perform the same overclock. 3.5GHz is nothing for that 45nm CPU. It would be ideal if he would use a 65nm B3 quad too. But that is impossible, so lets just run it this way :) I still believe we can come to some conclusions.
[]'s
Simps
okay, if you want to do that, then increase your CPU core volts, try 1.3375v in bios, and with the exact setting (you can help both of us save time by first using the same setting until you get a enough stable system that you want). and retest your system in Windows and post back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
then later on i'll probably help you change a few things in this overclock's setting.
also recheck the "MCH Reference..........................: 0.740v",
i'm just noticing now, that i forgot about this setting and didn't tell you the complete info.
0.740v is the value of the CPU Termination (VTT)........................: 1.20V"
when you increase the VTT the MCH Reference will also increase in value.
please note that, as much as i want to help you, but i'm too lazy, this due to it takes too much time and effort for me to write (and read) in english, so that, there will a time when i simply won't continue to help you.
i hope you will understand.
HI, i need some advices. I spent a lot of time to try figure out my rights settings to get my system stable at 4ghz. But i didn`t have sucesse yet. And now i don`t know what change, once i tried every combination... Please i know my system is capable.
My bios settings
The big deal is, when i run ORTHOS blend test some times i got BSOD and others times i got error on program like "the expected was 0.4..." I believe my problem is memory because i ran ORTHOS small FFT`s and i didnt get errors, when i run blend test before 1min of test i get errors... Please any help will be appreciated.Code:******Gigabyte EP45 UD3P****** BIOS F7C
E8500 500 X 8 4000MHz
Robust Graphics Booster.........................[ Auto ]
CPU Clock Ratio.................................[ 8 ]
Fine CPU Clock Ratio............................[ 0 ]
CPU Frequency 4.0GHz...........................[ 500 x 8 ]
******Clock Chip Control******
CPU Host Clock Control..........................[ Enabled ]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz)........................[ 500 ]
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz).....................[ 100 ]
C.I.A 2 [Disabled]
******Advanced Clock Control******
CPU Clock Drive.................................[ 800mv ]
PCI Express Clock Drive.........................[ 900mv ]
CPU Clock Skew..................................[ 0ps ]
MCH Clock Skew..................................[ 0ps ]
******DRAM Performance Control******
Performance Enhance [Standard]
Extreme Memory Profile (XMP)....................[ Disabled ]
(G) MCH Frequency Latch.........................[ 400MHz ]Tried Auto
System Memory Multipler.........................[ 2.00D ]
Memory Frequency 1066...........................[ 1000 ]
DRAM Timing Selectable..........................[ Manual ]
CAS Latency Time................................[ 5 ]
tRCD............................................[ 5 ]
tRP.............................................[ 5 ]
tRAS............................................[ 15 ]
******Advanced Timing Control******
tRRD............................................[ 3 ]
tWTR............................................[ 3 ]
tWR.............................................[ 4 ]
tRFC............................................[ 56 ]
tRTP............................................[ 3 ]
Command Rate (cmd)..............................[ 2T ]
******Channel A Timing Settings******
Static tRead Value [ 11 ] ................[ 9 ]
tRD Phase0 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD 2rd (Differnt Rank) [ 8 ] ................[ Auto ]
tWR 2wr (Differnt Rank) [ 8 ] ................[ Auto ]
tWR 2rd (Differnt Rank) [ 7 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD 2wr (Same/Difft Rank) [ 9 ] ................[ Auto ]
Dimm 1 Clock Skew Control.......................[ Auto ]
Dimm 2 Clock Skew Control.......................[ Auto ]
DDR Write Training..............................[ Auto ]
******Channel A Driving Settings******
Drive Strength Profile..........................[ Auto ]
Data Driving Pull Up Level......................[ Auto ]
cmd Driving Pull Up Level.......................[ Auto ]
ctrl Driving Pull Up Level......................[ Auto ]
clk Driving Pull Up Level.......................[ Auto ]
Data Driving Pull Down Level....................[ Auto ]
cmd Driving Pull Down Level.....................[ Auto ]
ctrl Driving Pull Down Level....................[ Auto ]
clk Driving Pull Down Level.....................[ Auto ]
******Channel B Timing Settings******
Static tRead Value [ 11 ] ................[ 9 ]
tRD Phase0 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD 2rd (Differnt Rank) [ 8 ] ................[ Auto ]
tWR 2wr (Differnt Rank) [ 8 ] ................[ Auto ]
tWR 2rd (Differnt Rank) [ 7 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD 2wr (Same/Difft Rank) [ 9 ] ................[ Auto ]
Dimm 1 Clock Skew Control.......................[ Auto ]
Dimm 2 Clock Skew Control.......................[ Auto ]
DDR Write Training..............................[ Auto ]
******Channel B Driving Settings******
Drive Strength Profile..........................[ Auto ]
Data Driving Pull Up Level......................[ Auto ]
cmd Driving Pull Up Level.......................[ Auto ]
ctrl Driving Pull Up Level......................[ Auto ]
clk Driving Pull Up Level.......................[ Auto ]
Data Driving Pull Down Level....................[ Auto ]
cmd Driving Pull Down Level.....................[ Auto ]
ctrl Driving Pull Down Level....................[ Auto ]
clk Driving Pull Down Level.....................[ Auto ]
******Motherboard Voltage Control******
Load-Line Calibration [Enabled]
CPU Vcore [ 1.25 ]...................[ 1.34735 ]
CPU Termination [ 1.20 ]...................[ 1.28 ]
CPU PLL [ 1.50 ]...................[ 1.50 ]
CPU Reference [ 0.760 ]...................[ 0.810 ] ET6 Show 0.760
MCH Core [1.1 ]...................[ 1.380~1.400 ]
MCH Reference [0.760 ]...................[ 0.750 ] ET6 Show 0.700
MCH/DRAM Refernce [0.900 ]...................[ Normal ]
ICH I/O [1.500 ]...................[ 1.500 ]
ICH Core [1.100 ]...................[ 1.100 ]
DRAM Voltage [1.800 ]...................[ 1.900 ~ 2.200 ] The best results i got around 2.000
DRAM Termination [0.900 ]...................[ Auto ]
Channel A Ref [0.900 ]...................[ Auto ]
Channel B Ref [0.900 ]...................[ Auto ]
******Advanced BIOS Features******
CPU Multithreading..............................[ Disabled ]
Limit CPUID Max to 3............................[ Disabled ]
No-Execute memory Protect.......................[ Disabled ]
CPU Enhance Halt (CIE)..........................[ Disabled ]
C2/C2E State Support............................[ Disabled ]
C4/C4E State Support............................[ Disabled ]
CPU Thermal Monitor.............................[ Disabled ]
CPU EIST Function...............................[ Disabled ]
Virtualization Technology.......................[ Enabled ]
tried checking and find information in the thrends, radaja, BuGjAE, Goldreader (not sure i write the correct username) and probably more other have been posted theire settings before, as far as i remember, there were some 500x8's.
does any one run thier hard drives in raid o here?if so what is the best stripe size,im very new to raid.i thought id give it a go. also whats better the purple sata ports(onboard) or the others ones?with vista can i just set it to raid then set up the raid volume, then install OS-using vista drivers then boot into windows and reinstall intel drivers? or does that only work with achi? any help would be appreciated.thanks
Whats the best way to get the face place off the NB heatsink?
Thanks
i took off the entire heatpipe assembly,then proceded to very carefully pry it up and off.it take a little patience ,but it does cut down temperature levels.the hard part is getting the tape residue off the heatsink.(alcohol,acetone)
Thanks
Well I don't really want to take the mobo out till I get my phase change cooling in a few weeks. So i'll do it then.
I know it's not a competition there is nothing to compete for, but sometimes it sounds like you underestimate engineers, if they build something to work with 6 Phase it's because they know what they are doing. Just because Asus has 16 Phase doesn't mean they can hold anything better. In fact as far as I'm concern the smallest route between to points is still a straight line... :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
Here:
[System Setup]
CPU: Q9650@3500Mhz 500x7
Voltages:
VCORE=1.29V
VTT=1.20V
VPLL=1.5V
VNB=1.26V
VSB=1.1V
VDIMM=2.24V
Mobo: Gigabyte EP45-UD3P
Cooler: Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer
Ram: 2 x 2Gb - 4gb G.Skill Pi 9600 @1200 5-5-4-15
Video: X1300
PSU: OCZ Powerstream 520w Adj
[Stability and Memory Benchmark Testing]
I can't show Prime95 now as I don't have 7hrs of the day, but testing was done using IBT Max and HCi Memtest 3.8 150%. If my systems passes those 2they can Prime95 all year. But I can Prime95 during the week if you insist.
Another note is that Everest OSD doesn't show much info on this board only the stuff is on screen so you have to see all voltages on ET6 (Easy Tuner 6).
IBT 35 Loops Maximum Stress starting - LOAD (I can only see pics of your system on Idle)
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/s...R/a47f50c9.jpg
IBT 35 Loops Maximum Stress ending -IDLE
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/s...R/67fcc5b3.jpg
HCI Memtest 3.8
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/s...R/fff6555e.jpg
DDR2 500x7 FSB 1200Mhz Bandwith
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/s...R/248a7998.jpg
This board is pretty much a joy to use, so easy you can hit and tweak and you can get the job done.
No matter how low volts you use this board will use less and remain stable and no matter how high fsb you want this board will keep breaking records with Quads.
Hope that settles the friendly inter-thread challenge :up:
Im running 4 hard drives in raid 0 im have tried 32k strip and 64k strip, 32 seems a little faster, but all i have read on the issue 64k seems the best bet, thats what im running my raid 0 in.
Jor3lBR,
Wow, very nice numbers, but yes, prime is needed. No prime, the comparison is even less apples to apples as it already is.
I also see that your CPU is a 45nm, it will by definition need less volts to do its business on the same clock a 65nm will. That is independent on boards or anything. Its just a better and newer cpu. That is the major thing making the comparison even less fair.
I see the vPLL and vFSB you needed was lower then mine. But those are very cpu related, and this is a problem when comparing 45nm to 65nm cpus.
The vNB I used was lower then yours. I was on 1.23 on bios and 1.24 reported on everest, as you can see on pics. This voltage is much less cpu dependend that the others, but still, you are on 2x2gb mem, and I am on 2x1GB mem, which could explain it too.
I guess the only way to compare it, would be the same CPU running on each board. That would be the best. Or, second way, if I had a 45nm or you a 65nm. I don't have a 45nm. Do you have a 65nm quad by a chance? :)
Anyway, the numbers are good. Congrats. But as a comparison, it won't do, because the difference on the CPU's are much more then I imagined.
Anyway, this is what I get on the everest, for the mems clocked as yours. My write and copy values, are lower because I have less cache on the CPU (65nm vs 45nm). Every 65nm cpu will have lower write / copy. But the read / latency are unafected by the less cache and are fair comparison.
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2472/mf2qqn8.jpg
[]'s
Simps
Thanks mate your clocks are great too :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
It's hard to compare when we are not using the same board and cpu but it was worth the poking around :up: Ill try to catch up with you latter this week with the rest of the testing.
neomike,thanks.thats what i did 64kb stripe-raid 0 for now.seems to work good so far
That should work very good for you Raja, the stripe size depends on what your doing with your computer, what type of programs and file sizes, but 64k you cant go wrong.
I am running RAID 0...Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
I use the suggested size in the BIOS128KB, I came across a post where someone said to use 64KB but I couldn't find it again so I figured that I would just use the default.
the purple sata ports go through the Gigabyte SATA chip, the yellow go through the SB. I don't know if one is better than the other, but I figured I would use the yellow.
You will need to install the RAID drivers when you boot from the install CD, you can copy them from the Gigabyte disk that came with the MoBo. It is explained on page 99 of the manual.
Well in my use of gigabyte boards, i had 3 recently, the read scores are always lower than asus or dfi board with same settings, dont ask me why but they are, about 400 points or more on average. Im no way knocking the ud3p definitly a sweet board, just a observation i have noticed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
I tried to hit 500fsb on my maximus II Formula with this same chip for a month and could only get to 490. that alone makes this board way better than the Maximus for less than half the price.
oh boy i have this message in front of me again. it seems to me like this guy, i mean you Simps, you never want to step back and think about all this comparison thing, you were bashing quite abit about UD3's board in other threads, for nothing.
i can lie (so can you), so can my friends, i don't really want to offend you or anyone who are still using the same board model as yours, as i can see that there are still many people using the board around these forums.
but i actually do have some friends who used to use the same board model as yours and they are already tried using one of these UD3's P45 board, i’ll not going into it.
before this comparison has begun and before any information can be used, Don't you already knew that if you want to compare board to board you should at least use the same hardware, besides of cause you use a different boards? then you still wanting to compare, but with yours many exception rules that needs to be taken.
anyway, there can be a number of reasons for people to buy this UD3's board, remember, this UD3's P45 board is a very good board and it has very reasonable price and very reasonable quality.
but if you are already so happy with your board, at least this's what it seems to me Simps, you may want to be happy with what you have.
after all, i7 and x58 platform is already available. alright i'm new here, i should shut up now, at least before someone have to tell me to do so.
@ PangingIII,Quote:
Originally Posted by pangingIII
Thank you for your help. Here is my status so far. Right now I seem to be stable at 4.05GHz. My settings are below. I did some more research and I couldn't find a definit answer on LLC, so I enabled it. Also, I bumped up the vCore to 1.33750v. It was stable in Windows but when I would restart I would get an overclocking error in the BIOS and I would have to reset the settings.
I bumped up the volts and I don't seem to have any issues. Let me know what you think and if there is anything else I should change.
Thank you again for your help.
Code:MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio .......................: 9
Fine CPU Clock Ratio...................: 0.0
CPU Frequency .........................: 4.05 GHz (450X9)
Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control.................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 450
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ...........: Auto
C.I.A.2 ...............................: [Disabled]
Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive........................: 700mV
PCI Express Clock Drive................: 700mV
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
MCH Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance....................: [Turbo]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)........: [Auto]
(G)MCH Frequency Latch.................: [333MHz]
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.4B
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................: 1080
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time.......................: 5
tRCD ..................................: 5
tRP'...................................: 5
tRAS...................................: 15
Advanced Timing Control
tRRD...................................: 4
tWTR...................................: 4
tWR....................................: 12
tRFC...................................: 68
tRTP...................................: 4
Command Rate (CMD) ....................: Auto
Driving Strength Profiles
Driving Strength ......................: Auto
Channel A
Static tRead Value.....................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [AUTO]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
DDR Write Training.....................: [AUTO]
Channel B
Static tRead Value.....................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [AUTO]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
DDR Write Training.....................: [AUTO]
Motherboard Voltage Control
CPU
Load-Line Calibration..................: [Enabled]
CPU Vcore..............................: 1.33750v
CPU Termination........................: 1.26V
CPU PLL................................: 1.50V
CPU Reference..........................: [AUTO]
MCH/ICH
MCH Core...............................: 1.26V
MCH Reference..........................: 0.740v
MCH/DRAM Ref...........................: [AUTO]
ICH I/O................................: 1.500V
ICH Core...............................: 1.100V
DRAM
DRAM Voltage...........................: 1.9v
DRAM Termination ......................: [AUTO]
Channel A Reference....................: [AUTO]
Channel B Reference ...................: [AUTO]
it seems to me like your CPU does need quite a vcore for only 4GHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
i also suspect the "MCH Reference" setting value will require to be adjusted by you.
but i can't be so sure yet, try this setting and post back.
MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio .......................: 9
Fine CPU Clock Ratio...................: 0.0
CPU Frequency .........................: 4.05 GHz (450X9)
Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control.................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 450
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ...........: Auto
C.I.A.2 ...............................: [Disabled]
Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive........................: 800mV <====
PCI Express Clock Drive................: 900mV <====
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
MCH Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance....................: [Turbo]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)........: [Auto]
(G)MCH Frequency Latch.................: [333MHz]
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.4B
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................: 1080
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time.......................: 5
tRCD ..................................: 5
tRP'...................................: 5
tRAS...................................: 15
Advanced Timing Control
tRRD...................................: 4
tWTR...................................: 4
tWR....................................: 12
tRFC...................................: 68
tRTP...................................: 4
Command Rate (CMD) ....................: Auto
Driving Strength Profiles
Driving Strength ......................: Auto
Channel A
Static tRead Value.....................: [9] <====
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [AUTO]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
DDR Write Training.....................: [Disable] <===
Channel B
Static tRead Value.....................: [9] <====
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [AUTO]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
DDR Write Training.....................: [Disable] <====
Motherboard Voltage Control
CPU
Load-Line Calibration..................: [Enabled]
CPU Vcore..............................: 1.33750v ==> 1.35V (for now)
CPU Termination........................: 1.24V <===
CPU PLL................................: 1.50V <===
CPU Reference..........................: [AUTO]
MCH/ICH
MCH Core...............................: 1.22V <===
MCH Reference..........................: 0.740v <==== also try setting this to [AUTO] and see if you still get an overclock error message. i suspect this value setting will require to be adjusted by you
MCH/DRAM Ref...........................: [AUTO]
ICH I/O................................: 1.500V
ICH Core...............................: 1.100V
DRAM
DRAM Voltage...........................: 1.96v <===
DRAM Termination ......................: [AUTO]
Channel A Reference....................: [AUTO]
Channel B Reference ...................: [AUTO]
I thought he wanted to prove 16 phase was overkill compared to the UD3 boards 6 but seemed to be trying to compare apples to oranges in the process - too many differences. Having got an answer he still required more hours of prime testing even though he was told it would have been a waste of time as it was a cert that the rig was 100% stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by pangingIII
Don't see the point in any of it myself.
You are right, there is no point in comparing the boards like this anymore.
That was what I wanted to do. But the comparison we are trying is just not fair and reasonable. After Jor3lBR post, no conclusion can be made at all.
The 45nm Q9650 vs 65nm Q6700 is what makes the comparison not doable. But there are a lot of other differences too. Seens like there is no program to read the volts and temps of the UD3P on windows. I mean, that ET6 program, don't show the actual voltages of the board, it just shows the values you are setting it, but you could set a value of 1.5v, and the board could overvolt it to 1.55v for example. I is just not a "reading / reporting" board voltages and temps, not a trustable one.
Also, different PSU's, I see his PSU doing 12.1v on load, mine is arround 11.9v on load.
Also, he didn't show prime, and even if he did, there would still not help the comparison as there are to many differences.
He's UD3P needed less (much less) vtt and pll. But thoses are very cpu related, and then the advantage of running a 45nm Q9650 vs 65nm Q6700 kicks in. So many differences.
My memory bandwidth on the same clocks were higher, but them again, this means nothing.
We can't just compare like this, soooo many differences. At first I thought it would be reasonable, but it is not. Can't make a conclusion after it.
I am interested in a fair comparison, and I am trying to get one of this UD3P board to myself, so I can test it on the same hardware. But I live in Brazil, and computer parts are a bit expensive here. If I ever get teh boards, I will post a fair comparison, whatever the results are.
[]'s
Simps
Hey guys! Im still on the f4 bios. Did a little benching last week & was maxing out @ 551-554 fsb. My brother tried the f6 bios & wasnt able to get as high as a clock. Anything out there better than the f4?
Thanks
Hicks
that's what you ought to do if you really want to compare the two boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
and not to be mean, but who cares what you think you sound pretty arrogant and a bit silly to be honest.
I think Everest 4.6 beta 1561 or something like that reads the vdimm and thats it. On my board the vdimm in Windows is 0.03 less then the BIOS.
Which is better for stability testing. Orthos or Prime95? Also, which test in them is the best to run...blend, small FFT or Large FFT ?
first trial
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...1_Immagine.JPG
Can I take Load-Line Calibration enable in daily?
I'm really liking the F7c.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Hicks121
Prime 95: Blend and Small FFT. Blend Tests Memory and CPU, Small FFT Stresses CPU. I personally run Blend for 10+ hours and then Small FFT for the same amount of time. I have passed both with this current config for 12 hours but i cant run LinX for 2 minutes.... go figure. I have yet to get a BSOD or any kind of lock up, even after hours of Gaming. Still cant run LinX or Linpack. Some would say i'm not stable, i say i am. Prime has always been a good enough stability test for me. Everybody has their own opinion on stability it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluestang
You said any Quad core you asked for these screens I didn't came buy Asus thread with this silly quest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
So you first ask because you where sure results would be in your favor and now you say there is no point?
To compare you just need to look at Asus thread and see the results they are getting with this same exact chip Q9650 - none stable above 4400Mhz or 500 FSB x 9 so far. Exactly NONE.
Funny thing your results are trustworthy and mine are not? You showed ONE screen with no LOAD in the end of the test and that's it! I showed several with LOAD and IDLE begging and ending of tests, try to adjust voltages on the middle of IBT :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
If my volts or results are not accurate how most of the people here with Quads obtain success with my Templates?
And again you will always find a small discrepancy on the test to call the comparison off common mate "my PSU reads 11.9v ans his 12.1v" that made me :rofl:
Again not trying to discredit you or something but you are pushing it too much.
You don't trust ET6 volts?!?!?! "Values your are setting" QTF! Now that pisses me off. I'm an old member here and people trust me I even did 2 very successful group purchases here that people actually trust me with a BIG amount of their money in my bank!
You cannot set anything on ET6 and expect it to work mate, I see you are not here enough time to now that ET6 cannot fine adjust the References and Terminations like in BIOS...
ET6 shows exactly the volts I'm using during LOAD and IDLE! Better then Everest...
Besides I'm not adjusting anything in Windows, all my config is BIOS I only showed ET6 so you could see the complete voltages.
And again if you wanna compare exactly you just need to look at Asus thread and see the results they are getting with this same exact chip Q9650 - none stable above 4400Mhz or 500 FSB x 9 so far. Exactly NONE.
Left it running before I went to work and also I was able to tweak all voltages and reduce Vdimm by a lot too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
All times stamps are in the SS's to check the accuracy and transparency of the tests:
Prime95 Blend 7hrs+
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/s...57hrs500_2.jpg
IBT LOAD to do 20 passes on the new lowered voltages
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/s...R/Untitled.jpg
IBT IDLE complete 20 passes
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/s.../Untitled2.jpg
As I said you came here and asked for 45nm and 65nm results. They where presented to you as part of the comparison. In fact my Q6600 needed less VTT then my Q9650 on the DFI so that doesn't mean anything...Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
Fair comparisons are all over Asus + Q9650 thread, no match for UD3P.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simps
I wish I still had my 65nm Q6600 no wait you would say it was unfair because it's not the Q6700 :ROTF:
Don't take nothing here personally you seam like you can be a nice fella but sometimes you won't translate that to paper.
@ PangingIII,Quote:
Originally Posted by pangingIII
Here are my settings. I put MCH Ref on Auto and I the system rebooted and I got a BIOS overclock error. I went back into the BIOS and changed the MCH Ref to 0.745v. I am running through Prine95 small ffts as I type this.
The systems seems to be stable, but my Core temps are at 56 Deg at 100% load.
my Core volts in windows is 1.33v acording to Everest. Here are my Settings.
--++EDIT++--
It seems my setting aren't stable, when I reboot, I get the BIOS overclock error.
Code:Trial 3
MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio .......................: 9
Fine CPU Clock Ratio...................: 0.0
CPU Frequency .........................: 4.05 GHz (450X9)
Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control.................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 450
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ...........: Auto
C.I.A.2 ...............................: [Disabled]
Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive........................: 800mV
PCI Express Clock Drive................: 900mV
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
MCH Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance....................: [Turbo]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)........: [Auto]
(G)MCH Frequency Latch.................: [333MHz]
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.4B
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................: 1080
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time.......................: 5
tRCD ..................................: 5
tRP'...................................: 5
tRAS...................................: 15
Advanced Timing Control
tRRD...................................: 4
tWTR...................................: 4
tWR....................................: 12
tRFC...................................: 68
tRTP...................................: 4
Command Rate (CMD) ....................: Auto
Driving Strength Profiles
Driving Strength ......................: Auto
Channel A
Static tRead Value.....................: [9]
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [AUTO]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
DDR Write Training.....................: [Disable]
Channel B
Static tRead Value.....................: [9]
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [AUTO]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
DDR Write Training.....................: [Disable]
Motherboard Voltage Control
CPU
Load-Line Calibration..................: [Enabled]
CPU Vcore..............................: 1.35V
CPU Termination........................: 1.24V
CPU PLL................................: 1.50V
CPU Reference..........................: [AUTO]
MCH/ICH
MCH Core...............................: 1.22V
MCH Reference..........................: 0.745v ***on [auto] I get a BIOS overclock error
MCH/DRAM Ref...........................: [AUTO]
ICH I/O................................: 1.500V
ICH Core...............................: 1.100V
DRAM
DRAM Voltage...........................: 1.96v
DRAM Termination ......................: [AUTO]
Channel A Reference....................: [AUTO]
Channel B Reference ...................: [AUTO]
guys i have some questions which i really hope you can help me with. I cant seem to boot above 400 fsb withouth increaseing the cpu term and cpu pll voltage settings. I can get to 425 with 1.24 cpu vtt and 1.57 pll but i dont seem to need any more MCH voltage. Does this sound normal, anything after 425 fsb i cant boot even if i set the MCH voltage to 1.48 or so. If the cpu vtt and pll directly related to aid in higher FSB booting. All of this im talking about withouth OC'ing the cpu just testing FSB. Thanks
You have to increase VTT for sure to bump up your FSB even if you are keeping the CPU clock speed close to stock, that goes for any Intel board/CPU combo as far as I've seen.
right from the get go i knew where this board comparison thing was headed.seems that simps just wants to crown the MAXII the best board in the universe.and discredit all other boards in its path.based on one great OC.
Official F7 was released today, very good BIOS....Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Hicks121
Hey Panging,
Just to update you on those mem volts and 2:40 strap problem.
The volts now are all below stock :up: My RAM says 2.1v to run at 1066Mhz and it's running 1200 (7x500) or 1200 (9x500) at low voltages 2.03vdimm.
The problem was the MCH Reference! Once I figured that setting out all my Memtest errors wore gone and I could low the voltages considerably.
Regarding the 2:40 strap problem with MCH above 1.40v I just confirm that only happens with 2Gb sticks of ram, 1Gb even thou you wanna use 4 sticks the mobo boots fine above 1.4vmch, but with 2Gb sticks nada. Common Gigabyte fix this!
I'm very stisfied with this mobo.:up:
What was the problem? What did you figure out? My Gskill 9600's will be here tomorrow!! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
Hey Nugzo! You will love them but if you hit them with te wrong MCH Reference your Memtest 2.11 screen will be bloody! :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Just keep MCH Reference on a spot the ram's enjoy it, I like to call it the Golden Rule for this board.
MCH Reference above the stock. So if you run 1.20vtt MCH is 0.800 not 0.760, got it?!
@Jor3lBR does that apply for all RAM?
Official F6 is up for UD3R also, will flash over from F6a tomorrow.
don't worry about how many times that you will have to spend testing your bios setting, this is seem to me like you are still new to all these setting, so be patient with all the testing that you will have to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
i would also say, no worry about your Core temps at full load at this time, the temps seems fine for now and later on you can check it and try to improve it, may by try adding more case fans or try another/better CPU cooler.
okay now try and test this (below) setting only by leaving the rest of the (above) setting unchanged.
MCH Reference..........................: 0.745v ***on [auto] I get a BIOS
this below method is for you only, i try to make this more easy for you and i can monitor your setting at the same time, so that i can help you easier and probably better.
in your bios, bump up the voltage value (from 0.745v. use this value as your starting point) one value at a time, and then retest your setting in Windows and then try restarting to check the overclocking error message, try this not more than 2 value up. if you still get an error, then this time try bump the voltage value down, not more than 2 value down.
and please do post back. there will always be many subject changes and move around from one to another in here, so be patient.
@Jor3lBR, ,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
that's what i expect from the ram kit.
and thanks for the update all these info, i'm very glad to know about it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
+1000 I just didn't like the way he came off kinda condesending and now there's no need, damn straight. No comparison, I have to give you major respect @Jor3lBR.
You played his game and now he trys to make excuses, :shrug:
Jor3lBR, you did some top notch work with that Q9650 and the UD3P, Great stuff, I can't say enough to you helping and posting your info.
oh, how about those 5Ghz settings :rofl:
I'll be comming back to that UD3P in a week or so and going for your #1, let me know when you get your mounts.
Rock ON!:clap:
systemviper,
you guys were pretty slow compared to mine. i did't like the way he came off on many things he said in this and after i followed his posts around in the other threads.
i guess, now we can move on.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pangingIII
Thanks again PangingIII for your help and patience...:D
I will give the settings a try and post back this evening.
if you still having an overclock failure message, then try bump down CPU FSB to 445 (i also suspect that your CPU may require high core voltage)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
and if no more problem at 445fsb, then save your bios setting, and then try below setting.
and post back anyways.
MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio .......................: 9
Fine CPU Clock Ratio...................: 0.0
CPU Frequency .........................: 4.00 GHz (445X9) <===
Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control.................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 445 <===
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ...........: Auto
C.I.A.2 ...............................: [Disabled]
Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive........................: 700mV <===
PCI Express Clock Drive................: 700mV <===
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
MCH Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance....................: [Turbo]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)........: [Auto]
(G)MCH Frequency Latch.................: [333MHz]
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.4B
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................: 1068 <===
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time.......................: 5
tRCD ..................................: 5
tRP'...................................: 5
tRAS...................................: 15
Advanced Timing Control
tRRD...................................: [AUTO] <===
tWTR...................................: [AUTO] <===
tWR....................................: [AUTO] <===
tRFC...................................: [ 56 ] <===
tRTP...................................: [AUTO] <===
Command Rate (CMD) ....................: [AUTO] <===
Driving Strength Profiles
Driving Strength ......................: [AUTO]
Channel A
Static tRead Value.....................: [AUTO] <===
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [AUTO]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
DDR Write Training.....................: [Disable]
Channel B
Static tRead Value.....................: [AUTO] <===
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [AUTO]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
DDR Write Training.....................: [Disable]
Motherboard Voltage Control
CPU
Load-Line Calibration..................: [Enabled]
CPU Vcore..............................: 1.35V <===
CPU Termination........................: 1.22V <===
CPU PLL................................: 1.50V <===
CPU Reference..........................: [AUTO]
MCH/ICH
MCH Core...............................: 1.20V <===
MCH Reference..........................: xxxx <=== if using the previous bios setting and you found no more problem, then don't touch this setting.
MCH/DRAM Ref...........................: [AUTO]
ICH I/O................................: 1.500V
ICH Core...............................: 1.100V
DRAM
DRAM Voltage...........................: 1.80v <-> 1.90v <===
DRAM Termination ......................: [AUTO]
Channel A Reference....................: [AUTO]
Channel B Reference ...................: [AUTO]
Thanks a bunch brother!!! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
The Official F7 bios release is available at the gigabyte site today.
Since I'm not using RAID, I assume I can safely remove the Gigabyte RAID Manager software that was install by default from the CD. Can anyone confirm this to put me at ease. Thanks!
Sure, even people using RAID like me don;t need those in Windows :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by bluestang
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
I'm at 1.5mch right now with these 9600's 9x500 1200mhz. Anything you want me to try concerning your issues? I'm glad to help you with any settings you want me to try. Also please list your stable bios template for us for 1200mhz. Thanks again.
You think 8gb of these 9600's will run at 1200mhz?
The only strap I cannot use above 1.4vmch is 2:40. It simple wont boot above 1.4mch, so if your using 2 x 2Gb's of my same G.Skill 9600Pi and strap 2:40 at 1.5mchI would really like to know whats the problem here. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Repeating I tried 4 UD3P's, 2 PSU's and 2 set's of Pi's and all are bogos, as soon as I use my cheap Hyper-X 2Gb kit MCh goes all the way to 1.8 no problem.
I never tried 8Gb cause my other PC is a 24/7 that cannot stop, but I don't see why not.
Regarding my settings my Gigabyte is down till Friday for some upgrades but I will post them as soon as possible. These RAM are the best and won't need much to get stable at 1200 but 1300Mhz is another puzzle I'm still working.
BetaBIOS F8a released for UD3P (TT Forum):D
Stasio anything on this vmch limitation (1.4v max) for 2x2Gb sticks using 2:40 strap?Quote:
Originally Posted by stasio
Man this is my first Gigabyte board and I'm impressed how good you guys work on those BIOS updates! Amazing delivering big improvements since F4. An example to be followed by every single manufacturer out there. :up:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
Maybe the new f7 bios fixed that. i am using 1.5v 2:40 strap.. No other way to get 1200mhz from 500fsb.
Yeah amazing work on the bios, thats only cause so many people have this board, try using the ep45t-ud3p which i had its the ddr3 version, NO BIOS SUPPORT AT ALL:down:. thats why i sold it, if you dont have a board that is really popular, you get no bios support, you wait months for a bios update.
RAM overclocking only ( 4x 1GB Kingston HyperX PC9600 ram kits ).
Booted from bios at 420fsb, bios set 3:5, DDR2-1400, 5-5-5-18-AUTO's, tRD 6,
VTT 1.34, NB 1.44, DIMM 2.36 (memtest with DOS progarm at VTT 1.30, NB 1.36, and DIMM 2.30)
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2...2121023ay4.png
ran a 4x SuperPi 8MB to test system memory and overall stability of the system just a little bit before i continue to overclock the ram kit higher.
also using ET6 and Memset programs to up vDimm to 2.44v and increase tRFC value.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9...2120131su0.png
then SetFSB to 445fsb and at DDR1484. and this was about the end of using tRD 6 and this voltage settings.
if i let the tRD value and rest of memory timings loose and use more volts in NB and at the dimms, this ram kits probably can go higher.
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6...2122043yb6.png
soory in advance if you feel there is no point in posting this overclock info on here.
and i would just like to add a word of warning anyway, doing this can damage your hardware or installed Windows.
Sorry 2 tell you, the 3:5 diver in P45 is bugged, its really something else.
i probably knew that info by now or long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatguy1992
you probably dont think so. so thanks anyway for telling me that.
yea i think 3:5 is actually 2:3 or something like that,i think.not 100%sure though
Just reread your above message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
i think GSkill do something like that on their kit that have EPP,
my 8800 PI's have 1.9v for DDR2-1066 while the ram kit is rated (from factory) to run 5-5-5-15 DDR2-1100 at (not more than) 1.9v,
the 8500 HK has a 2.35v for DDR2-1066 but i normally use less then 2.35v to run DDR1200. it's something like that.
so i assume and expected that your 9600 PI kit should run DDR1200 at least at 2.1v or below.,
this's the reason i requested you to check for me before. and thanks again for the info.
well i just pulled the trigger and got me a Q9650.hopefully i will gets some decent OC's.i would be happy just getting it to 4ghz,and my ram at 1200mhz.im pretty excited should be here friday morning
i don't see why you could not do that. q9650 and your memory at 600.Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
i like to think that i want a q9650 and the 9600 PI kit for myself, and as much as i want them but i'm a cheap person.
i will probably get some more UD3R's since it's a cheap and good board and i still have some of old DDR2's, CPU's, hard drives, PSUs and all, i never want to sell all these things anyway.
pangingII i hear you,im thinking of getting one of the UD3R's cause they are cheap and maybe i can get rev1.1.when i get get this maximusII rma thing straightend out i am definitly getting rid of it(sale it for sure)got a very sour taste in my mouth with this board now and asus.seems like the memory is pileing up now (lots of sticks)ive got an e8400,e8500,and soon Q9650.so now i have to weed through the parts and put together two full systems and sell the leftovers.
Thanks for the template Jor :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
can you provide the batch number of your Q9650?
yes :up:, one of the best overclocking board :)
http://www.prototype.web.id/forum_im...300_500FSB.jpg
Here is 2:40 Strap 1.5v MCH Screenshot. It has worked with the only 2 bios i've tried. F7 Final and F8a Beta. I'll be glad to try an older bios if you'd like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8783/captureik7.jpg
@ PangingIII,
I didn't have a lot of luck with the last settings. I was able to boot into windows with all of the BIOS settings, but upone restart I would get a BIOS error and have to try something else.
I did what you suggested by changing the MCH Ref Voltages up and down. All of my settings are below. The MCH Ref was the only value I changed for each trial. The values I tested are below.
Do you think I have a chip that is just limited? Thanks again for your help, and I am also learning a great deal about the board as well.
Thanks Again,
Jason
Code:MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio .......................: 9
Fine CPU Clock Ratio...................: 0.0
CPU Frequency .........................: 4.00 GHz (445X9)
Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control.................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 445
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ...........: Auto
C.I.A.2 ...............................: [Disabled]
Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive........................: 700mV
PCI Express Clock Drive................: 700mV
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
MCH Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance....................: [Turbo]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)........: [Auto]
(G)MCH Frequency Latch.................: [333MHz]
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.4B
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................: 1068
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time.......................: 5
tRCD ..................................: 5
tRP'...................................: 5
tRAS...................................: 15
Advanced Timing Control
tRRD...................................: [AUTO]
tWTR...................................: [AUTO]
tWR....................................: [AUTO]
tRFC...................................: [ 56 ]
tRTP...................................: [AUTO]
Command Rate (CMD) ....................: [AUTO]
Driving Strength Profiles
Driving Strength ......................: [AUTO]
Channel A
Static tRead Value.....................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: [AUTO]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [AUTO]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
DDR Write Training.....................: [Disable]
Channel B
Static tRead Value.....................: [AUTO]
tRD Phase0 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................: 0 [AUTO]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................: 0 [AUTO]
Trd2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2wr(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Twr2rd(Different Rank).................: [AUTO]
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank).................: [AUTO]
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............: [AUTO]
DDR Write Training.....................: [Disable]
Motherboard Voltage Control
CPU
Load-Line Calibration..................: [Enabled]
CPU Vcore..............................: 1.35V
CPU Termination........................: 1.22V
CPU PLL................................: 1.50V
CPU Reference..........................: [AUTO]
MCH/ICH
MCH Core...............................: 1.20V
MCH Reference..........................: xxxx <=== The values I entered here are as follows.
All had the same result: 0.742v, 0.752v, 0.772v, 0.732v, 0.762v
MCH/DRAM Ref...........................: [AUTO]
ICH I/O................................: 1.500V
ICH Core...............................: 1.100V
DRAM
DRAM Voltage...........................: 1.80v <-> 1.90v <===
DRAM Termination ......................: [AUTO]
Channel A Reference....................: [AUTO]
Channel B Reference ...................: [AUTO]
I was able to boot up to 1.56v MCH with the 2.40 strap. Nothing at all above that.
please try this next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jsunn
MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio .......................: 9
Fine CPU Clock Ratio...................: 0.0
CPU Frequency .........................: 3.96 GHz (440X9) <===
Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control.................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 440 <===============
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ...........: Auto
C.I.A.2 ...............................: [Disabled]
Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive........................: 700mV
PCI Express Clock Drive................: 700mV
CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
MCH Clock Skew (ps)....................: 0ps
DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance....................: [Turbo]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)........: [Auto]
(G)MCH Frequency Latch.................: [333MHz]
System Memory Multiplier ..............: 2.4B
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................: 1056 <===
DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time.......................: 5
tRCD ..................................: 5
tRP'...................................: 5
tRAS...................................: 15
Advanced Timing Control
tRRD...................................: [AUTO]
tWTR...................................: [AUTO]
tWR....................................: [AUTO]
tRFC...................................: [ 56 ]
tRTP...................................: [AUTO]
Command Rate (CMD) ....................: [AUTO]
Motherboard Voltage Control
CPU
Load-Line Calibration..................: [Enabled]
CPU Vcore..............................: 1.35V
CPU Termination........................: 1.26V <===
CPU PLL................................: 1.57V <===
CPU Reference..........................: [Normal] <===
MCH/ICH
MCH Core...............................: 1.20V
MCH Reference..........................: xxxx <=== try same as before.
MCH/DRAM Ref...........................: [AUTO]
ICH I/O................................: 1.500V
ICH Core...............................: 1.100V
DRAM
DRAM Voltage...........................: 1.90v
DRAM Termination ......................: [AUTO]
Channel A Reference....................: [AUTO]
Channel B Reference ...................: [AUTO]
i kept forgetting to ask this, your next post please include a SS of ET6's voltage information window.
i won't talk about the other board at this time, but, my UD3R board clocks Quad as easy as it clocks Dual i sometimes think it's more easier with Quad, as with my q9300 i never had to adjust MCH ref. and at this time the value is left at Normal, this is unlike what i had to do before when i tried overclocking e8400. however, i'm sure that the bios configurating can be different for each ram, cpu, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
i assume my board is the same (or about the same) as any UD3R and UD3P boards out there.
i again assume it shouldn't be a big difference, i mean there can be some small differences between one board to another.
if you are always lucky and always receive a good overclocking CPU, i'm very positively sure that you will love overclocking your new quad on your board more than before.
im hopeing it will clock like a beast with low volts,so far ive only been lucky with three pieces of hardware,my UD3P(of course),my two kits of cellshocks,and my kit of teams1300.all three of my cpu's in my opinionwere average at best,ive never been able to get past 4300ghz with low volts (1.29-1.33)like some have done.wish i could.but then again,this could simply be operator error.but i get my 9650 tommorrow and i will be happy as long as i get to 4.0ghz 8x500
After updating to the F8A bios, device manager sees a controller called "Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller." Is there some type of driver I need for this? Tried installing chipset drivers again to no avail
Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Robilar your welcome, I have that info somewhere around the Q9650 thread I'll try to get back to you on that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robilar
Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Nugzo thats the sign of the BUG. If you switch to any other 1Gb stick you'll able to up that to wherever you want 1.8vmch on 2:40 and it works... I tried all BIOS and versions 1.0 and 1.1 of the board, different 2GB PI sticks and it's a no go above 1.4vmch for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
But good thing is I can run 1200DDR2 or more with 2.050vdimm and 1.40mch so for now is not a problem.
I'll try to post those settings so you can lower your vdimm and vmch.
never tried higher fsb and lower multi when ocing, now i really need to know from experts about my experience...
4Ghz 9x422 with 1.344v 8hrs blend and smallfft stable
4Ghz 8x500 with 1.344v failed smallfft in seconds.. 1.36v stable blend and smallfft
i thought my cpu degraded so i set back to see hows with 9x422, yet again its stable for another 8hrs smallfft and blend
today i tried another run with 8x500.. still, failed smallfft at 1.344 but fine with 1.36v
is this the case of running higher fsb?
thx guys
asap
Quote:
Originally Posted by stasio
ohhhhh a new bios, so what does this add or fix, ohhh la la :D
Seem the F8a doesn't full support with current ET6 version ,I got some message tell to update something from gigabyte.
got my 9650.L826A965.i'll be firing it up tonight.god i wish i didnt have to go back to work today.oh well its here thats all that really matters
I finally have had time to try to push my setup , UD3P and E8400 E0, OCZ 2x2GB platinums
I'm disappointed that there is not much discussion on here about CPU and MCH Clock Skews as this seems to be important also?
I would like to hear what others use or have found for these settings, I'm thinking they are linked to FSB/CPU speed, but havent investigated thoroughly enough to tell yet.
agree with above, the MCH reference on this board has to be what percentage of the actual MCH voltage?
F8A bios is slow with raid in bios compared to F7/F6
I didn't get that message when I updated. I'm using Vista 32 by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homeless2
Yep, I got that too. I just disabled ET6 for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuGjAE
just bought 2 sets of this patriot mem cannot get more than one stick to boot. what do u guys suggest.
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec....iteria=BA24262
Anyone know where I can get the 64 bit version of the bios update for the P45-UD3R? I looked on gigabyte's website but all they have is 32 bit...
Also, W00T 4 GHZ ON Q9450 FIRST TRY!
i never ocing with higher fsb before, do you guys think 533fsb with 1.38 NB need short of special cooling on it or just fine with stock cooling? and i'm talking 24/7 :)
thx
asap
@asap,This board run fine even 1.5 vMCH it doesn't impact the temp too much
There is no difference. Bios is not OS dependent.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33t p1mp
Just tried another Q9300 on UD3R F6. and this is the very first booted after CPU is installed.
BIOS set CPU/PCI Express Clock Drives 700mV, PLL 1.50, VTT 1.36, CPU VCC 1.3625, NB 1.36, CPU/NB GTL_ref. 63.3% of VTT (which i set the value to Normal on both in BIOS).
BIOS memory setting... Turbo, 2.4B, 4x 1GB DDR1152, 5-5-5-15 / 3-3-6-42-3 / Auto-Auto-Auto-8, DDR Write Training Enabled, tRD 8.
i have not checked for the lowest voltages requirement nor tried using a different voltages settings yet.
i still only testing with 2x Prime 95 customs that uses 2x 1600mb of ram in the testing.
Room temperature aprox 33-35C.
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4...4145918pc5.png
So anybody test with F8a bios for UD3P and found anything changed? Anything better or worse?