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    Cascade Water-Block

    Some of you are probably aware that I've been working on a new waterblock which I've nick-named the "Cascade". The design has already gone through a few months of research, and about a month's worth of tweaking actual materials, and it's getting pretty close to the final phase.

    The block's principles are based on ideas drawn from myself, BigBen2K, Volenti, and jaydee116 (aka CustomCooledPC), and this is my vision on how the ideas can be brought to a physical reality.

    The block works by water entering the middle barb into a manifold cavity that distributes the water flow out to the jet tube entrances. The jet tubes accelerate the water to around 4x the entrance velocity. Water travels down each jet tubes and is pushed directly down the middle of a "cup" (one for each tube) drilled into the copper base-plate. The jets impinge on the base-plate, creating a highly efficienct stagnation region of thermal transfer.

    Now with jet impingement the further you get away from the middle the jet, the less the cooling effect. Other people have tried jet arrays, but the flow coming off from surrounding jets interferes with the efficiency of each jet, and while free jet arrays are more efficient than a single jet, they can be improved upon.

    Enter the cup. The cups are very closely spaced together. They are wide enough to allow each jet's primary stagnation region to form. The cups are also jet wide enough that the water flowing off the main impingement jet strikes the cup walls at close to the same velocity as the jet stream itself. This creates a secondary impingement effect right at the base of the cup walls. This effect is occurring right where we want it, and it soaks up the heat that would otherwise attempt to go up the copper walls between the cups.

    The jet tubes are submersed into each cup slightly. This shields the jet streams from the out-flow of surrounding jets, and helps to guide the water out of the cup without interfering too much with the jet stream coming down.

    The optimal width of the cups is directly linked to the width of the jets, and the height of the jets above the base-plate is also very important, as is the thickness of the base-plate, and the proximity of each cup to each other.

    The pictures below are of the Rev 2 version of the Cascade design. The current block has two outlets but I'm investigating whether nor not having just a single outlet (ie. two barbs instead of three) causes any performance loss. If there's no performance loss, I'll make it a traditional two-barb block.

    The design packs 52 jet tubes into a very small area. I've included a USA "dime" and an Australian 5c piece in the pictures for an idea of scale.

    I also snapped some pictures of the jet tubes in action without the base-plate using an Eheim 1048, and a close-up of the assembled block which is intended to highlight that the jet tubes actually do go some way into the cup holes.

    How's it perform you ask? I'm seeing a full 2.0C clear lead over the best result I had previously gotten with the White Water over 12 mounts of that block. This is using a T'Bred B at 2400MHz/1.85v running BurnK7. This is significant because it was my design goal to gain a full 2C, and secondly, it's just the first time I've mounted the block. History tells me that I rarely get it right first time, so there may be a little bit more hiding there as I remount to test again.

    All up I'm very proud of the design and am very pleased to see it come together as a physical reality.












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    Wow!! That is incredibly impressive...and I didn't think it could get much better than a White Water for a while. Damn your genius.

    Congrats man, I await updates with great eagerness!!





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    Very nice Cathar

    It also looks like it would be easier to manufacture than the White Water since it looks like they are pretty much straight down holes that would be easy to drill out with the right equip. I remember how you said with the WW the micro channels were a pain to manufacture since they were so small...
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    Originally posted by pulverizer
    It also looks like it would be easier to manufacture than the White Water since it looks like they are pretty much straight down holes that would be easy to drill out with the right equip. I remember how you said with the WW the micro channels were a pain to manufacture since they were so small...
    Making all those little jet tubes isn't exactly child's play either. The gaps between the jet tubes are narrower than the White Water's channels. It's easier on the tools, but not a whole lot faster to make in terms of machine time because smaller tools are being used and there are about 4x more cutting passes, so what is won with machining in polycarb is lost again in terms of the finer work with more passes being done.

    Just been testing single outlet performance and it's looking pretty good. Pretty sure I'll be doing just a single outlet on this one, but have to make some small tweaks to help the flow.

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    When are these going to be available and how much ( approx) will they cost? Looks really good.....
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    Very nice.


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    Originally posted by luihed
    When are these going to be available and how much ( approx) will they cost? Looks really good.....

    Even though I'm sure there are dozens of people asking for one on the various forums you've probably posted this at...I second this question.





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    Nice work Cathar, you've proved before that you were the best
    Keep on the good work and drink a pint for me
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    very nice!

    but why the middle part and not blow the water directly @those nice little holes on the copper block

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    Originally posted by saaya

    but why the middle part and not blow the water directly @those nice little holes on the copper block
    Not sure I understand the question. You mean why are the jet tubes there?

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    nice cathar


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    Originally posted by saaya
    very nice!

    but why the middle part and not blow the water directly @those nice little holes on the copper block
    They're here to increase the speed of the water coming in, so that should cool better than lower speed water.
    Cathar, did you tried it with more powerful pump? I'd think that the more powerful the pump the better the cooling in this design. Do you agree?
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    I have 3 pumps here. An Eheim 1048, a 1250 and an Iwaki MD-30RZ high-pressure monster.

    Performance difference between the Eheim 1048 (~5lpm) and the MD-30RZ (~10.5lpm) is slightly more between 0.5-1.0C favoring the Iwaki.

    I tried artificially restricting the flow rate down to a little over 3lpm. The block loses about 2.0C in cooling performance (measured as CPU temperature rise above water temperature) at 3lpm as opposed to 10.5lpm, but the water is cooler due to the use of a smaller pump, so overall the net difference works out in practise to less than a 1.5C difference at the CPU.

    So yeah, a more powerful pump helps, but as I've often found again and again, a too powerful pump adds more heat into the water and often negates the point of having the more powerful pump in the first place. The Eheim 1250 still gives basically the same CPU temperature (within 0.5C) as the Iwaki MD-30RZ, purely because the water is cooler.

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    congrats, have you sold this to d-tek already?
    that's great, now all you need to do is make gpu and nb blocks

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    Originally posted by Johnny Knoxvill
    congrats, have you sold this to d-tek already?
    that's great, now all you need to do is make gpu and nb blocks
    This is something that I'll be doing privately for an indefinite period of time, much like what I was doing with the White Water.

    GPU/TEC/NB block based on same principles is in planning.

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    looks very interesting and promesing, when do think a GPU-block prototyp will be ready?

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    Originally posted by Peckers
    looks very interesting and promesing, when do think a GPU-block prototyp will be ready?
    I would not like to place a time-frame on it at this stage.

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    Do you have an idea of the price of the waterblock?
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    They're here to increase the speed of the water coming in
    how do they increase the speed? the extra middle part with the holes adds more resistance to the waterflow.

    why did you decide to make this middle part, have you tried other designs maybe without this extra thing with all the holes?

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    It adds more resistance so the water has to increase speed to get through! You can try this with a tube, pinch it and you'll see that the water will speed
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    Originally posted by saaya
    how do they increase the speed? the extra middle part with the holes adds more resistance to the waterflow.

    Ever held a garden hose and stuck your thumb over the end and noticed how the water shoots so much further (faster)?

    That's what's going on here. The block sacrifices about 20% in terms of total volumetric flow rates as opposed to not having the middle plate there, and in return gives a four-fold boost to water velocity.

    As much as you may have heard otherwise, flow rate for flow rates sake, is not the right way to design a high performance water-block. Doing that is about the most inefficient way to use the water.

    The Cascade at 1lpm flow rates will outperform any other waterblock (except the White Water) even if those other blocks are run at 10lpm flow rates. Thing is though, if another waterblock (say a Maze 3) was allowing 10lpm flow rates with some pump, the Cascade would be allowing about 8lpm flow rates with the same pump, so it's not like the block is excessively choking flow at all. On a hot overclocked CPU, the Cascade would then be cooling the CPU from 7-8C better than the Maze 3.

    why did you decide to make this middle part, have you tried other designs maybe without this extra thing with all the holes?
    No. Cooling performance would suffer if I did that, and by that I mean it'd be no better than any other water-block out there.

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    Very impressive!
    Well designed and i must say that doing the "spray" part of it looks very hard to machine properly.

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    hmm i tried different designs as well when i designed my wb and using an extra part to speed the water up or make it go in a certain direction only decreased performence for me, maybe my pump was too weak?

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    VERY impressive.....you have taken watercooling to the next level of performance with your new design.
    Needless to say....I WANT ONE! LOL
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