Prime95/SP2004 cheating

[Kunaak]

you might want to consider changing your rules alittle.
see prime 95 is one of the easiest things you can possibly cheat on.

I would suggest showing Cheat Free 32M shots atleast, with the Prime95 shots.

theres always someone that wants the recognition for something they never did.

heres a screen shot I just did.
took me about 10 seconds to do this.
obviously my prime95 was just opend, and theres no way possible to have 144 hours of stability when I just opend the program, but its easy to fool someone with it.
just let it run for a half hour or so, then fake the rest.

(don't ask how to cheat on Prime, cause I don't give out info, also, if you know how you can do it, don't go around telling people how to do it)

you need something more then prime 95 to prove stability, cause it's just so dang easy to cheat on.

I would suggest the Cheat Free version Mod 1.4 or newer, 32M, and 3dmark2001SE Links.
Those 2 things should help bring alot of credit to a claimed 24 stable shot.

[agenda2005]

Kunak,
Can you cheat the Johnny Lee stress prime? Try and let us see.

[Kunaak]

give me a link to it.

I am pretty sure I can.

EDIT:

Used Google to find it.

http://sp2004.fre3.com/download.htm

I like this program alittle better then Prime95, when used for actual stability testing, but it's just as easy to cheat on. takes almost no effort.

[agenda2005]

Here you go,
http://sp2004.fre3.com/

[Faceless Rebel]

I dunno, I asked in OP that people be honest and not cheat. I'll take your suggestion into consideration, however, since Super PI 32M only takes <1/2hr so it's not a huge deal these days. Does anybody else think this is a good idea?

[agenda2005]

Alright, I was trying to see that possibility myself, but I didn't want to stop my system from running prime. I may have to report this to the Aurthor to fix the problem.



Can you cheat on the CPU speed reported as well?

[conrad.maranan]

Sorry if this thread is not heading off in the right direction. But I, too, would like to add that anyone with basic Photoshop skills can easily edit Prime along with a number of other benchmarks. As stated time and time again, it is sad that it has come down to the point where people actually have to cheat their way into receiving praise from their peers. We need to follow the footsteps of our overclocking friends in Japan who test with integrity.

Perhaps a new version of Prime with a verification code similar to CPU-Z is in order.

[Faceless Rebel]

Can you cheat on the CPU speed reported as well?

Well, he's making it report 4059mhz, so I'd say yes.

Sorry if this thread is not heading off in the right direction. But I, too, would like to add that anyone with basic Photoshop skills can easily edit Prime along with a number of other benchmarks. As stated time and time again, it is sad that it has come down to the point where people actually have to cheat their way into receiving praise from their peers. We need to follow the footsteps of our overclocking friends in Japan who test with integrity.

Perhaps a new version of Prime with a verification code similar to CPU-Z is in order.

The Japanese do a lot of things with integrity. It's much more fun to play MMOGs with Japanese than Americans, for example. (If you're looking for an MMOG with lots of Japanese you can play with, Final Fantasy XI will interest you.) I remember when I played in the Bomberman Online free open beta, which was Japan only but you could download the client and a patch to make it work with English WinXP, the Japanese were all very nice and respectful. It's unfortunate that the American societal mentality is screw everyone as often as you can to get ahead, but there's nothing you or I can do about it. I can only ask politely that people do not cheat, and if they are suspected of cheating they either prove themselves or risk the banstick. I'd rather not have to look over everyone's shoulder to make sure they're not cheating...

[Kunaak]

cheating the CPU speed would be very easy as well.
very few programs have any cheat detection system, or anticheating.

if you know the programmer of some program, and want to get it cheat tested and worked with, then have the guy PM me, and I will help him with the testing and such.
I've helped develope a few cheat free programs so far, with varied success, but somethings, better then nothing.

[agenda2005]

I SEE! In fact, it's quite easy to cheat that program. My screen shot is 100% legit because I have nothing to gain deceiving myself about my system stability.

[Kunaak]

Well, he's making it report 4059mhz, so I'd say yes.

haha....

actually thats right.
my CPU is a 3.6 ES at the moment running 14x290 at 5:4
that part is the only thing in that shot that isn't cheated.

however, I can cheat that just as easily.

[agenda2005]

Try and cheat the CPU speed reported as well as the start time and let's see please because I couldn't figure it out.

[bachus_anonym]

SP2004 shows CPU Frequency as the one PC was booted at. So, you can boot @ 2800MHz, run SP2004 @ 2000MHz and still has it reporting 2800MHz.

Coiple of weeks ago I was also thinking of shooting an email to the author with some suggestions for cheat-free version.

[agenda2005]

SP2004 shows CPU Frequency as the one PC was booted at. So, you can boot @ 2800MHz, run SP2004 @ 2000MHz and still has it reporting 2800MHz.

Coiple of weeks ago I was also thinking of shooting an email to the author with some suggestions for cheat-free version.

I was not thinking about that. I think I will stop posting SS of this program until all these issues are resolved. I will keep using it for my own personal consumption anyway. It's a shame though.

[conrad.maranan]

SP2004 shows CPU Frequency as the one PC was booted at. So, you can boot @ 2800MHz, run SP2004 @ 2000MHz and still has it reporting 2800MHz.

Out of curiosity (and I never figured this one out), why do you think SP2004 reported my clocks as 7MHz (6MHz x 376.0 est.) in this screenshot? That was an old run of mine when the VX was first introduced and I can assure you that the Prime run was legit. My actual clocks were 10x263MHz.

[Kunaak]

the method bachus told does indeed work, however, it has a interesting side effect also...

it's virtually immune to cheat speeding.
I had RM Clock at 11 ghz, but CPUZ and SP2004 were both showing the correct speed.
this is expected from CPUZ, but not from SP2004.
I am pretty sure I know why that is though...

[bachus_anonym]

SP2004 has this cool feature of periodically reading sensors of MBM, like every 5 minutes... So I believe It could be quite easy for the author to do the same with CPu Freq Detection, that will be done every 5min and printed along with Iterations.

This SP2004 has a potential to be quite good cheat-free test of stability, In my opinion...

[agenda2005]

Out of curiosity (and I never figured this one out), why do you think SP2004 reported my clocks as 7MHz (6MHz x 376.0 est.) in this screenshot? That was an old run of mine when the VX was first introduced and I can assure you that the Prime run was legit. My actual clocks were 10x263MHz.

That's awfull

[bachus_anonym]

Out of curiosity (and I never figured this one out), why do you think SP2004 reported my clocks as 7MHz (6MHz x 376.0 est.) in this screenshot? That was an old run of mine when the VX was first introduced and I can assure you that the Prime run was legit. My actual clocks were 10x263MHz.

It reported your FSB as 263-256=7MHz.... Remember, 3dMark2001 does same thing... On Neo2 or NF2 mobos...

[Kunaak]

actually from the method your talking about, I think it would make it virtually useless as a cheat free program...

what I think SP2004 right now is doing, is getting its speed from Windows itself.
not from bios or anything else.
this is why it wouldn't be changable, even with clockgen and such.
thats good for verifying an OC, if that speed is the same speed you booted up at.
but useless if you use clockgen in windows then wanted to use SP2004 to help verify a OC.

constant sampling of the CPU clock, would just make it update nice and fast so it would be nice and easy to cheat with.

to get a cheat free clock reading, you have to read directly from the Bios, and have zero dependancy on windows.

[conrad.maranan]

It reported your FSB as 263-256=7MHz.... Remember, 3dMark2001 does same thing... On Neo2 or NF2 mobos...

Wait. I'm confused. Where did you derive the value of 256 from?

[agenda2005]

actually from the method your talking about, I think it would make it virtually useless as a cheat free program...

what I think SP2004 right now is doing, is getting its speed from Windows itself.
not from bios or anything else.
this is why it wouldn't be changable, even with clockgen and such.
thats good for verifying an OC, if that speed is the same speed you booted up at.
but useless if you use clockgen in windows then wanted to use SP2004 to help verify a OC.

constant sampling of the CPU clock, would just make it update nice and fast so it would be nice and easy to cheat with.

to get a cheat free clock reading, you have to read directly from the Bios, and have zero dependancy on windows.

I discovered that too. SP2004 doesn't update CPU speed from clockgen. But Conrad SS with 7MHZ FSB is scary if such error exist.

[bachus_anonym]

I do not really know where the value of 256 came from (perhaps 8 bits allocated for FSB closk in detection engine of 3DMark2001) but If you run 3dMark2001 at 256MHz FSB it would report it as 256. But 257MHz would be detected as 1MHz and so on.

So it looks like SP2004 uses exactly same procedure to detect CPU/FSB clocks...

EDIT: Anyway, here goes Faceless Rebel's thread We just trashed it real good

[conrad.maranan]

No, I'm going to split it, consolidate our off-topic posts into a thread named Prime95/SP2004 cheating, and then move it to XtremeSystems Forums > Software > Benchmarking Programs.

[Faceless Rebel]

Thanks for splitting this thread off, what I'll do is edit my OP to link to this thread so people will see it.