Thuban & Zosma info/code name from anandtech "Juicy"

[ajaidev]

AMD Phenom II X6 1075T 6 ?? ?? 6MB 125W ??
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 6 ?? ?? 6MB 125W/95W ??
AMD Phenom II X6 1035T 6 ?? ?? 6MB 95W ??
AMD Phenom II X4 960T 4 ?? ?? 6MB 95W ??

That guy who showed the 960T gpuz shot maybe true after all, and all i did was think that it was a fake. Dam i need a more open mind... sorry to him


Ok i am very very impressed to end has a TDP of 125W i mean thats great, i was expecting a 140W model.... Well since i7 980x is 130W and this is 125W amd will more likely focus of energy consumption than power... further more its logical to assume a Thuban with 140W cant touch the i7 980X so AMD took this lower TDP route. I am confused on Zosma tough what does it have that Deneb does not??

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3726

EDIT: I have asked around and rumored speeds of the top end will be 2.8ghz and the 1055T will be around 2.6ghz while the 1035T will be 2.4ghz. Oh ya the top one will be a BE "unlocked" and as Oliverda suggested i think Zosma = Thuban with 2 disabled cores.

[saaya]

maybe zosma has less cache? maybe no L3 cache?

EDIT: that "article" really confuses me btw, its kinda messy and lacks structure... he just lists different cpus and gives them a thumbs up or down without a propper segment positioning or structure as to what cpu is better for what, where are its strengths and weaknesses etc...

Luckily for AMD, Intel disables HT on the Pentium G6950 and thus it's only a two core, two thread chip. We'll have to wait and see how that performs once we get a chip in house.

anandtech still doesnt have a G6950? 0_o
they will be surprised about perf once they get it... and it wont be a positive surprise... heh

[ajaidev]

maybe zosma has less cache? maybe no L3 cache?

EDIT: that "article" really confuses me btw, its kinda messy and lacks structure... he just lists different cpus and gives them a thumbs up or down without a propper segment positioning or structure as to what cpu is better for what, where are its strengths and weaknesses etc...

anandtech still doesnt have a G6950? 0_o
they will be surprised about perf once they get it... and it wont be a positive surprise... heh

But isn't that called a Athlon 2 x4


lol ya anandtech will be surprised all right the new x4 seems lame but the 630 for $99 is a win a super win in fact... In most cases the X4 630 is better than the i3 530 and for games one can get X2 555 BE for $99.

I do love the baselines here...

Multi thread work get X4 630 for $99
Games all the way T1 get x2 555 BE for $99
Games all the way T2 get i3 530 for $125
All rounder T1 get x4 925 for $140
All rounder T2 get x4 955 C3 for $165
All rounder T3 get i5 750 for $200

This is great for the consumer very much value for buck

[[XC] gomeler]

Thuban is too late... unless given one I don't see myself testing/benching it. If Thuban had been available say 4-5 months ago it would have turned some heads. But by May-June we'll all be in Intel lala land with Westmere. We needed the dozer yesterday. Even if they manage to release a 3GHz Thuban in the 125w power envelope the Core i7 920 and Core i7 860 will eat it alive in performance and quite possibly power consumption. There is no way they can let a 6 core die go for less than $200 so they can't compete on price and I doubt they can get clockspeeds up to 3.4GHz to compete on performance. It is bleak till 2011.. Diablo 3 will be out before Bulldozer

edit: I don't suppose there is a chance at a 12 threaded Thuban MCM at 3 jiggahurts at 140w? Using low leakage binned Thubans? I guess they'd have to beat on that 45nm SOI like it owes them money in order to keep the TDP in an acceptable realm.

[ajaidev]

They cant reach 3.4ghz at the 45nm with 6 cores that thing would not only be hot "Much more than 140w" but also eat a lot.
I am hoping it is on the cheap side and the 1075T comes around $549, 1055T around $449 and the 1035T comes around $299, i would buy then at these price ranges.

[Sentential]

They cant reach 3.4ghz at the 45nm with 6 cores that thing would not only be hot "Much more than 140w" but also eat a lot.
I am hoping it is on the cheap side and the 1075T comes around $549, 1055T around $449 and the 1035T comes around $299, i would buy then at these price ranges.

Same; soon as the pre-order goes up I'm going to be all over it. I know its not an i7 but good luck trying to get Gulftown for the same prices as these chips.

[Jowy Atreides]

That guy who showed the 960T gpuz shot maybe true after all, and all i did was think that it was a fake. Dam i need a more open mind...[/B] sorry to him

Don't be, it was fake.

CPU-Z has the Phenom 3 logo compatability?
I don't think so tim.

[Florinmocanu]

Thuban is too late... unless given one I don't see myself testing/benching it. If Thuban had been available say 4-5 months ago it would have turned some heads. But by May-June we'll all be in Intel lala land with Westmere. We needed the dozer yesterday. Even if they manage to release a 3GHz Thuban in the 125w power envelope the Core i7 920 and Core i7 860 will eat it alive in performance and quite possibly power consumption. There is no way they can let a 6 core die go for less than $200 so they can't compete on price and I doubt they can get clockspeeds up to 3.4GHz to compete on performance. It is bleak till 2011.. Diablo 3 will be out before Bulldozer

edit: I don't suppose there is a chance at a 12 threaded Thuban MCM at 3 jiggahurts at 140w? Using low leakage binned Thubans? I guess they'd have to beat on that 45nm SOI like it owes them money in order to keep the TDP in an acceptable realm.

Dude, HT on 920/860 is around 15-20% extra performance in multithreaded apps.

a 6 core Thuban at 3ghz will beat the 920/860 (they revolve around 16-17k in cinebench 10)

I suspect around 20k in Cinebench 10, which is around what a I7 975 gets out.

a 6 core thuban at 3ghz will be a serious competitor in multithreaded apps.

Only the westmere cpus will be able to beat it, but at a much higher price tag.

[duploxxx]

AMD Phenom II X6 1075T 6 ?? ?? 6MB 125W ??
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 6 ?? ?? 6MB 125W/95W ??
AMD Phenom II X6 1035T 6 ?? ?? 6MB 95W ??
AMD Phenom II X4 960T 4 ?? ?? 6MB 95W ??

That guy who showed the 960T gpuz shot maybe true after all, and all i did was think that it was a fake. Dam i need a more open mind... sorry to him


Ok i am very very impressed to end has a TDP of 125W i mean thats great, i was expecting a 140W model.... Well since i7 980x is 130W and this is 125W amd will more likely focus of energy consumption than power... further more its logical to assume a Thuban with 140W cant touch the i7 980X so AMD took this lower TDP route. I am confused on Zosma tough what does it have that Deneb does not??

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3726

EDIT: I have asked around and rumored speeds of the top end will be 2.8ghz and the 1055T will be around 2.6ghz while the 1035T will be 2.4ghz. Oh ya the top one will be a BE "unlocked" and as Oliverda suggested i think Zosma = Thuban with 2 disabled cores.

yep, have the same feeling that Zosma is a harvested Thuban.... (still able to unlock cores )

keep the top speed bins as rumored, they are nowhere listed and are not in line with other soon to be released server chips.

That guy who showed the 960T gpuz shot maybe true after all, and all i did was think that it was a fake. Dam i need a more open mind... sorry to him

don't be, unless he is AMD internal and took a screenshot there is no way he could take one without SE available

[freeloader]

When will these things go on sale? Come on AMD, you have waiting customers!

[FlanK3r]

Thuban is too late... unless given one I don't see myself testing/benching it. If Thuban had been available say 4-5 months ago it would have turned some heads. But by May-June we'll all be in Intel lala land with Westmere. We needed the dozer yesterday. Even if they manage to release a 3GHz Thuban in the 125w power envelope the Core i7 920 and Core i7 860 will eat it alive in performance and quite possibly power consumption. There is no way they can let a 6 core die go for less than $200 so they can't compete on price and I doubt they can get clockspeeds up to 3.4GHz to compete on performance. It is bleak till 2011.. Diablo 3 will be out before Bulldozer

edit: I don't suppose there is a chance at a 12 threaded Thuban MCM at 3 jiggahurts at 140w? Using low leakage binned Thubans? I guess they'd have to beat on that 45nm SOI like it owes them money in order to keep the TDP in an acceptable realm.

WTF? Not, i dont mean, Westmere is something special. Performance as Athlon X3/X4, only good TDP and OC potencial (for extreme is the same as Phenoms II: 6200-6900 MHz most). And price = ? Intel will launch only Gulftown +- at the same time with Thuban form AMD. Nothing quad Westmere at 1H 2010. Launch Thubans will April/May date. TDP is lower, because CPUis at new silicon die. And i said, first Sandy Bridge will whorse performance than Gulftown. Dont fear for AMD

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

I'm guessing this is the last CPU AMD is coming out with that'll support ddr2 modules. At fitting way to move from am2+ to am3 only support.

The cost worries me since most people I know (including myself) bought Phenom II over i7 was due to cost. If the 1075T is around $550, that's a lot of cash for just a cpu vs an i920 + decent mobo. Unless Thuban will get at least 4.0ghz on air, I don't see a ton of people spending that much money on it.

I've been very excited about this chip, but you guys are right, this needed to be out 2 or 3 months ago.

ajaidev, I agree with your baselines. Seems AMD still has the edge for people who want entry level good processors. The athlon x4 630 and x2 555BE see to be the key. For $100, you really can't beat it.

[informal]

1st of all, Anand gave zero new information on the Zosma and Thuban-we have already known all the specs he listed. 2nd of all, Thuban will (99%) have a sort of Turbo boost,so those clocks listed are worthless since in ST apps it will probably beat Deneb we have today,while in MT apps Thuban will rock anyway even at "lowish"(~3Ghz) clocks. 3rd , pricing will be kinda aggressive ,just like what we have today. So I would say no to 600$ pricing. Maybe 350$ or so for top hex core model since AMD wants to offer better value per $(not counting platform cost since AMD has the upper hand here too). Zosma pricing will replace today's Deneb top bin pricing,since 960T will beat 965 C3 and there will also be a 975BE model which will sit above 960T (3.6Ghz Vs 3.3GHz+T).

[NickF]

So Zosma = Deneb with core speed throttling for not-so threaded applications?

[Manicdan]

if there is some kind of really nice turbo feature, it might help explain the killer delays were seeing.

[Nedjo]

if there is some kind of really nice turbo feature, it might help explain the killer delays were seeing.

delays? what delays? I was under impression that we've just learned about Zosma?

[informal]

delays? what delays? I was under impression that we've just learned about Zosma?

Exactly. IIRC,original Thuban intro date was Q3,so Q2 is actually a pull-in. And Zosma wasn't even on the roadmaps so that one can't be delayed either...

[duploxxx]

in every thread you see the same reply, delayed, why not released already....etc..

AN UPDATE AGAIN:
THUBAN + ZOSMA are based on LISBON core architecture, which is due to release soon on server platfrom
ALL AM3 released CPU's are AM2+ backward compatible if it is supported by BIOS also Thuban and Zosma

1st of all, Anand gave zero new information on the Zosma and Thuban-we have already known all the specs he listed. 2nd of all, Thuban will (99%) have a sort of Turbo boost,so those clocks listed are worthless since in ST apps it will probably beat Deneb we have today,while in MT apps Thuban will rock anyway even at "lowish"(~3Ghz) clocks. 3rd , pricing will be kinda aggressive ,just like what we have today. So I would say no to 600$ pricing. Maybe 350$ or so for top hex core model since AMD wants to offer better value per $(not counting platform cost since AMD has the upper hand here too). Zosma pricing will replace today's Deneb top bin pricing,since 960T will beat 965 C3 and there will also be a 975BE model which will sit above 960T (3.6Ghz Vs 3.3GHz+T).

informal, don't give people to much hope - ideas on the turbo boost feature, there is no such thing build into the core, it is probably SW based, overdrive ......

[ajaidev]

No one was really sure about Zosma thats why i have created the thread at least anand has confirmed its existance. On top of that we can at least say now, PhII 1075T vs i7 980X and not Thuban vs i7 980X

All in all its quite nice that we can put product names to their code names....

Ammm the turbo mode used by Thuban will it be the same tech used in bulldozer or will depend on the mobo sb/nb or will it use software?? Must be a feature of LISBON if its internal because Istanbul sure as hell does not have anything like that...

[Oliverda]

1st of all, Anand gave zero new information on the Zosma and Thuban-we have already known all the specs he listed. 2nd of all, Thuban will (99%) have a sort of Turbo boost,so those clocks listed are worthless since in ST apps it will probably beat Deneb we have today,while in MT apps Thuban will rock anyway even at "lowish"(~3Ghz) clocks. 3rd , pricing will be kinda aggressive ,just like what we have today. So I would say no to 600$ pricing. Maybe 350$ or so for top hex core model since AMD wants to offer better value per $(not counting platform cost since AMD has the upper hand here too). Zosma pricing will replace today's Deneb top bin pricing,since 960T will beat 965 C3 and there will also be a 975BE model which will sit above 960T (3.6Ghz Vs 3.3GHz+T).

I think that the (HW) Turbo mode is very unlikely to be in Thuban. IMHO it is a future feature for Bulldozer and Llano.

in every thread you see the same reply, delayed, why not released already....etc..

AN UPDATE AGAIN:
THUBAN + ZOSMA are based on LISBON core architecture, which is due to release soon on server platfrom
ALL AM3 released CPU's are AM2+ backward compatible if it is supported by BIOS also Thuban and Zosma

[duploxxx]

No one was really sure about Zosma

depends what you want to refer to as "really sure" and "no one"
most structured information was provided few weeks ago. But again the screenshot is fake or AMD internal is leaking info.

[informal]

in every thread you see the same reply, delayed, why not released already....etc..

AN UPDATE AGAIN:
THUBAN + ZOSMA are based on LISBON core architecture, which is due to release soon on server platfrom
ALL AM3 released CPU's are AM2+ backward compatible if it is supported by BIOS also Thuban and Zosma



informal, don't give people to much hope - ideas on the turbo boost feature, there is no such thing build into the core, it is probably SW based, overdrive 3.2.

I didn't say it is hw based... It's called C-state performance boost,in other words using low power state of idle cores to boost clocks on fewer non-idling ones. Wheter it's required to have AOD or it will be BIOS' responsibility ,I do not know.

[SocketMan]

6 core opterons have been available since June 2009,New Egg has/had
them many times.I don't see how it's "too late"

Besides M. Cores should be a lot more exiting then a single 6 core,
it's like 4 Thubans on one board (2 CPUs -12 cores each)

[Manicdan]

delays? what delays? I was under impression that we've just learned about Zosma?

the delay to simply make it, not saying their target dates were off. its just seems like its taking forever to get out something that for most of us was suppose to be as simple as deneb with 2 more cores.

[duploxxx]

I think that the (HW) Turbo mode is very unlikely to be in Thuban. IMHO it is a future feature for Bulldozer and Llano.

you are showing a link from a server based platform, look at a screenshot from a desktop: