Native Dual core die
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=225812
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MajorD Pops The Top: Regor (Athlon II X2) Native Dual Core Confirmed
Native Dual core die
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=225812
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Oooh - this could be interesting. I never liked the extra stage that L3 introduced into the mix.
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We really need to see it next to a 45nm quad die in order to know for "sure".
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Brisbane is not a very large die. It's enough for comparison.Originally Posted by Particle
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Mostly surprised it aint smaller than the 65nm dualcore on the visual note. Maybe a tiny tad smaller?
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From majords post in the AMD section
"Brisbane: measured 8.5x 14.8 =125.8. Actual die size 126mm2
Regor: Measured 8.2x 13.5 = 110mm2.. Estimated.."
more cache than brisbane would be the reason its not that much smaller i guess...
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a bit big isnt it?
No.
There is nothing to confirm it has been well stated facts for months that Regor would be a NATIVE Dual-Core - what has suddenly happen with people believing otherwise?
What's next Propus suddenly is a Deneb with disabled L3 Cache all of a sudden and not a native Quad-Core without L3 Cache?
This "news" is no surprise whatsoever for me as I've known this for months, so has most others here done aswell atleast last I checked.
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Until launch, it's all speculation and rumor. Even if one of them turns out to be true, that doesn't really help clear the water before the fact is truly established. To latch onto any one of them and reject the others is just foolhardy.
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Except this was info directly from AMD
Propus is a native Quad without L3 cache, just like Regor is it's own mask and not another scaled down Deneb.
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So Athlon X2 = native, Phenom X2 = weak quads, right?
Maybe Athlon X2 are weak propus cores.
Last edited by DoubleZero; 06-01-2009 at 08:51 AM.
Brisbane is based on K8. With Regor K10, many transistors had been added into K10 to improve architecture. Besides, Regor has 2x1MB cache when Bris has only 2x512KB
Yes.
Ummm...look at your own quote above
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K10 core is bigger than K8, and it has twice as much L2!
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Propus uses 512kb L2/core, Regor uses 1MB L2/core.
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That and DDR2/DDR3 memory controller and upgraded HT3.0 links! I agree it's still quite big for 2 cores, but we don't know on how many metal layers this DC is manufactured. It could be less than previous K8 ...
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So Die size is actually 117.5mm2 (official)
and as mentioned by Hans earlier, The 65nm Griffin is best used for 65nm-45nm scaling comparisons as it MOSTLY all the same ingredients ( bar a slightly smaller K8 'core' and no DDR3)
According to Hans,
Griffin (65nm 1MBx2 cache HT3) = 153mm2
http://67.90.82.13/forums/showpost.p...9&postcount=35
It's AMDs crappy cache density (still) and the IMC+ onboard HT that makes it large next to Intels 3M,B 83mm2 Chips.
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