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    Copper TRUE compared to TRUE, IFX-14, 1284EE

    Finally ready to start putting up some numbers.....and there are a lot of numbers to be put up

    Let's run down what I tested and how I tested:

    I have two different CPUs for testing, an extremely hot running E6700 and a very hot running QX6700. I was spending a lot of testing time up at TjMax on both processors....and one of the HSFs couldn't even hold my E6700 at or below TjMax with the lowest fan speed (though it was still totally stable....just the temperature data was useless). I ran the E6700 at 3555MHz (395x9) at 1.56v loaded on a Blitz Extreme. I ran the QX6700 at 3160 (395x8) at 1.46v loaded on the same Blitz Extreme. When swapping processors, only two BIOS settings were changed: multiplier and voltage. This was for simplicity....neither CPU is anywhere near maxxed out for being Prime/OCCT stable at these clocks, I just wanted to consistently create a lot of heat and have it run regardless of the temps it was enduring. On request, I can list more complete BIOS settings....I am, admittedly, pushing on the northbridge pretty hard (200 strap and 1.74v for starters), but it shouldn't affect results.

    I used OCCT to load and record temperatures....it was getting essentially identical load temps and temperature outputs to a manual test of Prime95 + CoreTemp, but it's fully automatic and repeatable, and therefore more desirable for this kind of testing. Linpack was not used because, well, it was too hot--most of the time it would go over TjMax in no time at all (making all data useless), and sometimes it would crash (never fun). I suppose the next batch I can use Linpack implemented via OCCT 3.0b and use some lower clocks/voltages

    I have four HSFs here to test: a new Copper TRUE, an older TRUE which I have already lapped (amateurishly....just to rid it of its poor stock base), an older unlapped IFX-14 (the backside cooler was not used in this test, it doesn't do much in my experience though), and a new Xigmatek 1284EE with stock push-pin mounting and the "Crossbow" hard mounting.

    On each set up, I tested 8 fan setups: 1) single Noctua P12 (1300RPM), 2) dual Noctua P12s, 3) single S-Flex F (1600RPM), 4) dual S-Flex Fs, 5) single Ultra Kaze 2000 (2000RPM), 6) dual Ultra Kaze 2000s, 7) single Panaflo U1A (2750RPM), and 8) dual Panaflo U1As.

    Each test was repeated on two separate mounts and the data has been averaged. I really wanted to do three or more, but considering how much time two took, three was out of the question for my sanity, let alone more than three. Intake ambient temps were taken throughout testing and used to calculate deltas. I tried to maintain them between 23-24.5C for all testing to minimize the amount of error incurred by varying ambients.

    I also did a few modifications of the HSFs, and are noted when appropriate. Here's a summation of notation:
    Lapping1 = amateurish lapping job.
    Lapping2 = a nice lapping job (mirror finish).
    Lapping3 = significant base material removed and then lapped to a mirror finish.
    Hi-Pres = washers or duct tape were used to increase mounting pressure significantly.

    I've graphed four different sets of data extracted from the same tests: average sustained load, peak sustained load, average short load, and peak short load.

    Average sustained load is the average of dTs over the span of 0:20 and 10:00 of the OCCT load.

    Peak sustained load is the maximum delta between the span of 0:20 and 10:00 of the OCCT load (any core of the 2 or 4).

    Average short load is the average of dTs over the span of 0:00 and 1:00 of the OCCT load.

    Peak short load is the maximum delta between the span of 0:00 and 1:00 on any core of the OCCT load.

    Some notes:
    1) E6700 is lapped to a mirror shine, QX6700 is not lapped at all.

    2) Pushpin 1284EE was not run on the QX6700 because one of the pushpins refused to maintain pressure that far along into the testing. I'm actually a big fan of pushpins--easy to mount (takes 5 seconds for any HSF), but these were amazingly low quality. I've enjoyed using pushpins from Intel and Scythe and Thermaltake sinks, but these were just bad, I can see why people have wanted to upgrade to the Crossbow.

    3) Lapped 1284EE was not run on the E6700 because it performed worse than stock on the QX6700 and I didn't waste my time since it already performed so poorly on the E6700. Sorry (well, not really).

    4) I really want to take my regular TRUE's baseplate down to within a millimeter or two of the heatpipes, but after a long, long time lapping just to get to "Lapping3" I felt it was unpractical to such significant time for so small of a potential gain.

    5) All HSFs were bought via retail channels, none of the manufacturers know who I am, let alone arranged a review with me--hopefully these results are fully indicative of what you can expect from retail product.

    6) My tests are just one set of results and while I've put a lot of effort into ensuring the quality of the data--it doesn't make other legitimate results any less valid, even if they disagree.

    7) My main direction in this review isn't to find what is "best" but rather what is most useful in certain situations.

    8) Ceramique was used and allowed no curing time. Upon removal, all mounts were considered at least "good" based on visual inspection. For the
    'normal' HSFs, I used a dot in the center and for the HDT, I used a line perpendicular to the heatpipes.

    9) All single fan configs were in pull (and the IFX-14 had the fan in the center) while all dual fan configs were in push/pull (with the IFX-14's fans in the center and the 'far' end of the airflow).

    ...So how about some results?

    Sustained load tests first:
    E6700 395x9 1.56v loaded, averages


    E6700 395x9 1.56v loaded, peak deltas


    QX6700 395x8 1.46v loaded, averages


    QX6700 395x8 1.46v loaded, peak deltas



    Short load tests:
    E6700 395x9 1.56v loaded, averages


    E6700 395x9 1.56v loaded, peak deltas


    QX6700 395x8 1.46v loaded, averages


    QX6700 395x8 1.46v loaded, peak deltas

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    Thermalright HSFs with a basic lapping

    Here's a 'zoom-in' of the Thermalright HSFs with just a basic lapping job and no pressure mounting

    E6700 Sustained Average


    E6700 Sustained Peak


    E6700 Short Average


    E6700 Short Pk


    QX6700 Sustained Average


    QX6700 Sustained Peak


    QX6700 Short Average


    QX6700 Short Peak

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    Open the box and use it--what you get :)

    Here's a 'zoom-in' of the stock configured HSFs

    E6700 Sustained Average


    E6700 Sustained Peak


    E6700 Short Average


    E6700 Short Pk


    QX6700 Sustained Average


    QX6700 Sustained Peak


    QX6700 Short Average


    QX6700 Short Peak

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    As Good As It Gets

    Here's a 'zoom-in' graph with each HSF tuned as best as I tested


    E6700 Sustained Average


    E6700 Sustained Peak


    E6700 Short Average


    E6700 Short Pk


    QX6700 Sustained Average


    QX6700 Sustained Peak


    QX6700 Short Average


    QX6700 Short Peak

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    TRUE That

    Here's a 'zoom-in' graph of all the TRUE-based results (TRUE and TRUECu) that I tested


    E6700 Sustained Average


    E6700 Sustained Peak


    E6700 Short Average


    E6700 Short Pk


    QX6700 Sustained Average


    QX6700 Sustained Peak


    QX6700 Short Average


    QX6700 Short Peak

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    Just noticed a typo in some of the QX6700 Sustained load graphs! "Lapped2 Hi-Pres TRUE" should really be "Lapped3 Hi-Pres TRUE"

    I originally had Lapped1, Lapped1.5, Lapped2 as the three designations...but switched that to Lapped, Lapped2, Lapped3 sometime yesterday. Guess I forgot to update both the .xlsx files, oops

    Lapped2 Hi-Pres TRUE doesn't exist anyway, so it shouldn't be that worrisome

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    how well was the IFX-14 lapped compared to the TRUE?

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    WOW! Thanks for all the raw data OP.

    So as far as i'm seeing the TRUE Copper is only a couple of degrees away from a Normal TRUE.

    To some, the huge price difference might not do any justification for a couple of degrees.

    But at least we all know that it DOES cool slightly better, than a normal TRUE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apokalipse View Post
    how well was the IFX-14 lapped compared to the TRUE?
    Posts 1, 2, and 4 have lapped IFX-14 data in various comparisons (post 1 is a little difficult to read, IMO....which is why I made variations of the graphs later on with certain comparisons ).

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    Vapor, great work! Ive been wondering how a copper true compares to a normal true performance wise. Man, this must have taken forever. I dreaded haveing to do the half asked lapping job on my true. This would have driven me insane.

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    Yeah, it took awhile

    Lapping was pain free...I did get a lot of practice in though, I'll say that

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    Wow... Thanks for all the hard work! Would you recommend the copper TRUE(factoring price/weight/performance ect)? I'm afraid it's too heavy and would destroy my DFI board once the case was stood upright.


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    I bought it as a benching sink...can plop it on with no mounting if I need to

    I'd probably just stick with a modified TRUE for most in-case builds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    I bought it as a benching sink...can plop it on with no mounting if I need to

    I'd probably just stick with a modified TRUE for most in-case builds
    Not needing to secure the HS would probably be a major selling point for an extreme air cooling bench junkie, should allow for quick swapping of CPUs.

    I'm probably going to buy my first TRUE if/when I find a good deal, right now my Xig S1283 gets the job done(it was only $25 shipped after MIR at the time of purchase) but it's not the best air cooling solution for a kentsfield, especially one that could clock to 3.8ghz (upwards of 3.9) on ~1.45vCORE.


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    Vapor I love your reviews just because of wall of text testing methodologies

    Great work mate.
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    Wow.. great work. Very nice, Vapor! Haven't seen a review this informative and in-depth in a long time.

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    Vapor <3's graphs


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    How much of a difference is from the non-True Black Extreme to the True Black Extreme cooler? If non, why come up with True Black?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcniest5 View Post
    How much of a difference is from the non-True Black Extreme to the True Black Extreme cooler? If non, why come up with True Black?
    I think it's just because it looks cooler

    Aesthetics sell

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    Wow !!! Very nice comparsion. But i thought IFX-14 would scale better You might try it with the Backside cooler and 3 fans, what would be the difference
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    IFX-14 doesn't really seem hungry for airflow.

    For example, going from 1 Panaflo U1A to 2 Panaflo U1As always resulted in worse results (if I had to guess, from reduced turbulence) and the scaling from dual 1300 down to single 1300 had less 'loss' than the other HSFs I tested.

    The backside cooler will really only become effective as you lower fannage anyway which makes me think the IFX-14 will really show its strength at very low airflow levels.

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    so the true 120 is stil up there not much can match it.

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    Thanx for the explanation mate. You really know your stuff. Keep it up
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