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Old 11-17-2008, 03:42 AM   #1
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180 series drivers bring massive performance boost to gtx 280. Up to 43%

I wouldn't usually consider this news worthy, but its gains are big enough to make you consider changing cards for.

I was looking if OBR put his gigabyte ex58 extreme review up and instead I found this.

http://pctuning.tyden.cz/index.php?o...1&limitstart=4

Shocked at performance increase across the board.

Bioshock see's a 33%+ performance increase.
Call of duty 4 14%
Call of duty 5 3%
Company of heroes 11% increase.
Crysis warhead 10%
Dead space 6%
Devil may cry 5%
Brother in arms 15%
Enemy territory 42%
Fallout 3 16%
Left for dead 3%
Grid 8% 55% in sli
Mass effect 12%
Stalker clear sky 43%
UT3 19%

There were noticeable decreases in performance in
Half life ep 2 -12% -3% sli.
Far cry 2 -10% However SLI saw 20% increase.

If these performance results are true and since I am going to core i7 which hates crossfire(its also the resolution I game at), it makes me regret going AMD.

If these improvements are carried over to the gtx 260 216 and maybe gtx 260, it probably going to make the 4870 lose across the board aside from Grid.

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Old 11-17-2008, 03:46 AM   #2
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Wow, that's really quite a difference. Great to see that competitiveness is coming back in the market. As for Nehalem, I'd hold off on making a decision yet. Those poor performance numbers are down to the chipset, not the CPU, and as such I expect to see them improve as AMD learns to optimise for the new platform.
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Old 11-17-2008, 03:52 AM   #3
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Wow, that's really quite a difference. Great to see that competitiveness is coming back in the market. As for Nehalem, I'd hold off on making a decision yet. Those poor performance numbers are down to the chipset, not the CPU, and as such I expect to see them improve as AMD learns to optimise for the new platform.
Problem is Amd only releases drivers once a month, and this is going to take more than 1 revision to fix.
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Old 11-17-2008, 03:53 AM   #4
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And GeForce 180.44 beta is here
180.47 beta link
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Old 11-17-2008, 04:10 AM   #5
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Ive tested with 180.47 Press Release ... because NDA is in review only 180.43 ... but results are with last version



Without AA and AF is not GAIN that massive, biggest improvements are in AA performances ...
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Can anyone test it on Folding @ Home?
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Old 11-17-2008, 04:20 AM   #7
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Ive tested with 180.47 Press Release ... because NDA is in review only 180.43 ... but results are with last version



Without AA and AF is not GAIN that massive, biggest improvements are in AA performances ...
That the important part anyways since what the point of having such powerful cards and not using those features.

Can you do a comparison between the 4870 1gb and a gtx 260 core 216? I think this would be really important for people in the market for new cards.

Hey when is your gigabyte ex58 extreme review coming out? There are no reviews on the net and I am waiting for yours. Is the overclocking performance the same as the UD5?
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nice improvements, hope they don't come at the cost of image quality
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Can you do a comparison between the 4870 1gb and a gtx 260 core 216? I think this would be really important for people in the market for new cards.

Hey when is your gigabyte ex58 extreme review coming out? There are no reviews on the net and I am waiting for yours. Is the overclocking performance the same as the UD5?

I have many reviews with higher priority ... then Giga EX58-EXTREME ... first will be out luquid nitrogen weekend action ... then GTX 260 216 versus HD4870 1GB with catalyst 8.11 and GeForce 180.47 ... then will be review of Giga mobo
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Uhhhh.... UT3 can actually run at 119fps with 16xQ CSAA at 1920x1200?!? I find that hard to believe, unless it's a timedemo of a really simple map. Plus, I've never seen World in Conflict run at over 60fps. With most newer cards, it usually averages out at 30fps. What the hell?
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then GTX 260 216 versus HD4870 1GB with catalyst 8.11 and GeForce 180.47 ...
Notify us when you do this review please.

There are frequent discussions on this board on whether the GTX 260 216 is better than the HD 4870 1GB or vice versa.

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Notify us when you do this review please.

There are frequent discussions on this board on whether the GTX 260 216 is better than the HD 4870 1GB or vice versa.

A review like that would help immensely
I'd say the GTX260 "reloaded" is better, at least according to this review:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/15651
The 4870 still beats the 'old' GTX260, but the extra 24 SPs makes the newer version faster than the 4870.
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Uhhhh.... UT3 can actually run at 119fps with 16xQ CSAA at 1920x1200?!? I find that hard to believe, unless it's a timedemo of a really simple map. Plus, I've never seen World in Conflict run at over 60fps. With most newer cards, it usually averages out at 30fps. What the hell?
OOPS.. sorry I didnt realize those were percentages! LOL my bad
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Uhhhh.... UT3 can actually run at 119fps with 16xQ CSAA at 1920x1200?!? I find that hard to believe, unless it's a timedemo of a really simple map. Plus, I've never seen World in Conflict run at over 60fps. With most newer cards, it usually averages out at 30fps. What the hell?
err, i think you missed the point that these values are percentages, where 178.24 = 100%

so ut3 is 19% faster than with the previous driver.

*edit* bra, nevermind, you figured it out already
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So, biggest gains in high IQ DX10 games. DX10 finally starting to make sense
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Old 11-17-2008, 06:46 AM   #17
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I'm definitely glad that I've waited on my purchase of a high end card. Thank god my resistance to impulse buying is strong I'm now back into thinking of going to Nvidia as opposed to ATI which was my choice up until today. I'm still going to give things time to pan out and see what comes info wise the next week or so.
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I've also seen performance increases but like said mainly if comparing AA performance, otherwise the difference is quite small but 180.xx still being slightly faster overall if no AA is compared as well. But when you think about it, ATI have had a noticable advantage in AA performance so it does make sense that NVIDIA is trying to improve in this category. This is why I also like using NVIDIA so I can play around with new drivers a lot more often. I think these improvements are very nice when you concider it's only changes done to the drivers. However knowing NVIDIA, I wouldn't be suprised if the AA quality is slightly lowered in one way or another to improve performance this way which you probably not by the eye can see but if you'd zoom in a lot you might be able to see some differences. With NVIDIA you should be very suspicious about this if you see huge gains in performance.
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forget 280.. its the 17th.. wheres gtx 290 ?
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The improvements are massive!

I think a deep IQ analysis is in order. The gt200 is heavily based on g80, which is a rather old arch. I hope everything is alright but I find these huge gains in performance out of the blue a little bit weird.

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I think a deep IQ analysis is in order. The gt200 is heavily based on g80, which is a rather old arch. I hope everything is alright but I find these huge gains in performance out of the blue a little bit weird
RV770 is based on R600, which is almost as old as G80 (6 months less IIRC). That doesn't mean anything.
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What about boosts to synthetics? This is XS after all...
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RV770 is based on R600, which is almost as old as G80 (6 months less IIRC). That doesn't mean anything.
And at the same time we don't have an ATI driver that dramatically improves performamce like this set of drivers from Nvidia. I'm not calling cheat by any means. I'm just a skeptical guy by nature and would be glad to see an IQ test with these new drivers proving there's nothing wrong with them.

Everybody wants more performance for free.
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The original move to the 90 series drivers gave us performance boosts along the same lines

I miss those days. nV dropped the bomb with the GTS640 and GTX, then the 90 drivers came along and gave performance another punt. TBH....we were spoiled.

OT: Intel could have released the E6400 as the top-end C2D chip and nV could have released the GTS640 as their flagship at the respective times and we still would have clamoured over them. First time I'd seen companies give us waaayyyyy more than they had to
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