why is Xeon E3110 cheaper ?

[vcp-cur]

I'm at www.tankguys.com , I see that ETA for OEM E8400 is the 28th and ETA for xeon E3110 is 21st ... if C2D E8400 and Xeon E3110 are supposed to be the same ... how come is the Xeon 3110 going for $199.99 and the E8400 for $229.99 ?

Shall I just go with the Xeon 3110 ?

I mean if they're the same, why not just go with the cheaper Xeon ?

btw, the mobo i'm planning on using with this cpu is the DFI LP LT X38-T2R .

[okorn]

Thats really strange..in newegg...230 vs 260

[karl_eller]

Some people just don't realize that they're the same CPU.

So if buying from tankguys, I'd definitely jump on the X3110.

Eller

[vcp-cur]

Thats really strange..in newegg...230 vs 260

Newegg is turning in to a giant :banana::banana::banana:got

Some people just don't realize that they're the same CPU.

So if buying from tankguys, I'd definitely jump on the X3110.

Eller

alright, thanks

[zanzabar]

the xeons are a more tested version of the 8400 and they are all c1 so i would go xeon, it might also be oem v in box and oem chips are cheaper since they have no hs or box

[Mykou]

the xeons are a more tested version of the 8400 and they are all c1 so i would go xeon, it might also be oem v in box and oem chips are cheaper since they have no hs or box

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=333114

[GripS]

They are the same chip but which one has better name recognition and which one will people be looking for?? Lots of people want = price gets jacked up.

199.99=Actual price it probably should be selling for
229.99=Inflated price due to popularity caused by name recognition

It's good to see tankguys is cheaper then newegg. Thats where i got my quad and probably all future processors cause they normally carry the cream of the crop.

[zanzabar]

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=333114

sorry they are all c0, but the 8400 could be a c1

[vcp-cur]

They are the same chip but which one has better name recognition and which one will people be looking for?? Lots of people want = price gets jacked up.

199.99=Actual price it probably should be selling for
229.99=Inflated price due to popularity caused by name recognition

It's good to see tankguys is cheaper then newegg. Thats where i got my quad and probably all future processors cause they normally carry the cream of the crop.

so, if im buying from tankguys.com , i should definately go with the xeon OEM and get like the TRue hsf , or the tuniq or the ninja one?

[vcp-cur]

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=333114

wow mykou, are those on air ?

i suppose not?

[mk-ultra]

wow mykou, are those on air ?

i suppose not?

check his sig

i'm really thinking about selling my e8400 and buying one of those 3110

[Rattle]

i just ordered another one from here

http://www.moogr.com/INTEL_CPU_XEON_...id-349879.html

use "marchmadness" code for $203.20 shipped

[eva2000]

maybe 3 reasons

1. E3110 has more supply in the channel as intel might have prioritized it's production over E8400 ?

2. E3110 won't interfere much with older xeon sales compared to the effect of E8400 etc on older E6xxx 65nm inventory still needing clearing from warehouses ?

3. Intel want's to claim back market share in server market from AMD. Desktop market dominance for Intel already exists heh

[vcp-cur]

Not sure which tankguys site your looking at, but the proc is listed a

opps, never mind, I went to the retail link by mistake.


BX80570E3110


$234.99

hehe, yeah .. the Boxed E3110 at tankguys is $239.99 .. and the OEM = $199.99

[RADCOM]

The chips are similar but the Xeons are server chips. They are optimized for server oriented tasks as opposed to desktop applications. Also they may not overclock quite as far. Having said that you'd be pushed to notice the diference in everyday use.

[J@mmer]

Completely wrong. They generally OC better.

[politenessman]

not to start a debate, but do either of you (xeons ocs better/ocs worse) have any facts to back it up? isnt it the same chip with diff silk screening and box?

[kitfit1]

At the moment, as far as Xeon's are concerned, not enough of them around to know for sure. But going back to 939's, we all knew that Opty's clocked better than desktop's. As server chips are known by Intel themselves to be better than desktop's, it would be a good assumption that they clock better than desktop's.

[J@mmer]

A lot of us at overclockers.com.au are running Xeons E3110's actually, and while you get the odd E8400 that needs higher volts to run the same OC, the Xeon's generally all clock very well on very low volts. More consistently than the E8400's.



There's mine at 24/7 clocks.

[nosboost300]

what kind of cooling are you using jammer.. i've been looking for an e8400/e3110... i found some e8400's 199.99 sooo..

e8400 retail for 199.99
or x3110 for 199.99 oem???

http://www.microcenter.com/search/se...?keyword=e8400

[J@mmer]

I'd definitely go the Xeon. Cooling is a Zalman 9700NT not the best cooler but it does OK.

here's a bit more...



Volts can go lower, it was just a quick 500fsb run.

[sofarfrome]

not to start a debate, but do either of you (xeons ocs better/ocs worse) have any facts to back it up? isnt it the same chip with diff silk screening and box?

fact1-I had an E8400 (Q743A) that would run 4.3GHz with 1.344vcore. P95 stable for 9+ hours and passed all 3D benchies.

fact2- I had an E3110 (Q746A534) that wouldn't run 4.3GHz stable no matter how much vcore you put to it and I tried up to 1.6vcore.

fact3- I currently have another E3110 (same batch as the first one-Q746A534) that requires 1.456vcore to be 4.3GHz P95 stable.

So far, any mention of the Xeons being better as far as lower vcore required is untrue. Do they last longer? Dunno as I ran mine for a couple of years and sold them. Do they run hotter/cooler? Nope. In my water loop all of these recent CPUs have topped out at the same temps (+/- 2degC) when running P95 for 9+ hours. There is a lot of conjecture on all forums as to what makes the xeon different than the standard intel desktop chips. I have used xeons for my gaming and desktop rigs for years. Frankly I can't say that any xeon OCs better than its desktop counterpart. I had Xeon3060s with batch codes L629B and L631B that did not perform any differently than desktop cpus with the same batch codes. All would do 3.71GHz with 1.41vcore. Under phase/dice/ln2 that may be a different story but under good air or water it is the same.

Right now it doesn't matter which one you buy. It does matter what batch/FPO# CPU you buy. That has always been true. And if you are lucky enough to find a Q743A I suggest buying it.

[RADCOM]

No emperical evidence I'm afraid, my theories are very general and based on 3rd party experience. ( good thats the legal stuff out of the way lol )
There was an article on this very subject in Custom PC a few months ago and several posts in various forums re the same subject show no conclusive meaningful pattern yet. I Shall write to Intel asap. Prefetcher optimization is the definitive difference thus far.

[Mykou]

wow mykou, are those on air ?

i suppose not?

as mk-ultra noticed my baby is on air , definitively true

valid was made with sigmatek HDT 1284



actually using U120X



yes those chips are really insane

[GFDuke]

fact1-I had an E8400 (Q743A) that would run 4.3GHz with 1.344vcore. P95 stable for 9+ hours and passed all 3D benchies.

fact2- I had an E3110 (Q746A534) that wouldn't run 4.3GHz stable no matter how much vcore you put to it and I tried up to 1.6vcore.

fact3- I currently have another E3110 (same batch as the first one-Q746A534) that requires 1.456vcore to be 4.3GHz P95 stable.

So far, any mention of the Xeons being better as far as lower vcore required is untrue. Do they last longer? Dunno as I ran mine for a couple of years and sold them. Do they run hotter/cooler? Nope. In my water loop all of these recent CPUs have topped out at the same temps (+/- 2degC) when running P95 for 9+ hours. There is a lot of conjecture on all forums as to what makes the xeon different than the standard intel desktop chips. I have used xeons for my gaming and desktop rigs for years. Frankly I can't say that any xeon OCs better than its desktop counterpart. I had Xeon3060s with batch codes L629B and L631B that did not perform any differently than desktop cpus with the same batch codes. All would do 3.71GHz with 1.41vcore. Under phase/dice/ln2 that may be a different story but under good air or water it is the same.

Right now it doesn't matter which one you buy. It does matter what batch/FPO# CPU you buy. That has always been true. And if you are lucky enough to find a Q743A I suggest buying it.

LOL i have a Q746A534 sitting here on the floor. I always though each cpu had a different number. I am corrently running a E8400 and to get it to 4650 i have to put 1.68 vcore to it. i be tryin the E3110 very soon.