I'll redo this if I get an actual production sample to try.
I'll redo this if I get an actual production sample to try.
Last edited by Martinm210; 04-11-2008 at 09:20 PM.
I can't wait for the show down!
Ohhh been waiting for this! Martin always comes through in the clutch! Thanks martin! can't wait to see more results.. ohh btw are the fan spacings the same as the swiftech or thermochill?
thats easy to judge, no were close to thermos so its got to be standard fan mounting like everyone elses.Originally Posted by InfamousChu
you must be having alot of fun martincant wait to see results. wonder how it performs against a 360GTX, footprints are similar
Wow that looks good!
If the thermal tests are favorable we could have a new king of cool
Some ppl have said stuff like "copy of the PA", "overhyped" etc, but if performance is good then who cares!?
Also has other perks like g1/4 threads, normal fan spacing etc.
Thanks again martin, looking forward to all the thermal testing to come
Can't leave cost out of that equation. Cost is the main pohibitive factor on the PA series. Are they the best performers at pretty much every CFM level, sure, are they twice as expensive as the competition, yeah, does *C scale linearly with cost, nope!Wow that looks good!
If the thermal tests are favorable we could have a new king of cool
Some ppl have said stuff like "copy of the PA", "overhyped" etc, but if performance is good then who cares!?
Also has other perks like g1/4 threads, normal fan spacing etc.
Thanks again martin, looking forward to all the thermal testing to come
*I'm way dumber than my dad, please have patience*
You realize the Feser 120.3 is to sell for 180 right?
Very true, i forgot to mention that. There was suggestions that it would be priced slightly higher than the PA series, which unfortunately puts it (and the PA) out of my range
For some it won't matter tho
I do now. I really don't understand the cost of these things. $180 is pretty close to the cost of my chiller set-up minus the pump, lines and block but, including insulation. I think I'd much rather have -25C than 30C for that much money.
*I'm way dumber than my dad, please have patience*
Most of us UK lads are using these ...What's the most common barb currently used on the PA's??
http://www.chilledpc.co.uk/shop/prod...roducts_id=205
Tom inc's them with the Thermochill RADs if you buy the RAD off his shop. I like them. I have 2 spear here i can send if needed/wanted.
I hate barbs without recessed o-rings. That's why EK barbs are the best, don't have to worry about overtightening and squishing the ring.
If you want to put both radiators on the same level, use McMaster 4860K657 adapters then use the same barbs to gauge the restriction level. If even with the G1/4" barbs, the TC is better, it will be clear now.
I know G3/8" help with flow but this doesn't matter because we aren't using 5/8" barbs to take advantage of the extra size. 1/2" barbs and 3/8" barbs will have the same inner diameter no matter what is the threading size.
Thanks!Most of us UK lads are using these ...
http://www.chilledpc.co.uk/shop/prod...roducts_id=205
Tom inc's them with the Thermochill RADs if you buy the RAD off his shop. I like them. I have 2 spear here i can send if needed/wanted.
What's the inside diameter on those? These EK G3/8" barbs I have here from www.watercoolingshop.com are 10.1mm ID.
I also have a pair of these reducers that they donated to me.
So I was planning to just test with the EK barbs and maybe try it again with the reducers and some G1/4 barbs.
Anyhow, it'll be a while before any thermal testing. This prototype is going back in the mail today, but I might get a sample later to keep of the final production model. If I do, I'll do some thermal work. I picked up an A/C variac the other day, now I just need to figure out my heating element (thinking maybe simple aquarium heaters in my test reservoir) and some templates for my Dallas thermal probes and I can start some sort of radiator thermal testing. It wont be quite to an environmental chamber accuracy level, but I figure with enough probes on the inlet and outlet side I'd have a good measurement of water/ambient deltas I can compare.
Anyhow, glad it helps, I've got some more pictures I need to process that may be helpful too.
Last edited by Martinm210; 03-19-2008 at 04:31 AM.
Beside the testing, how is the overall quality of the radiator ? The Thermochill radiators has a poor quality paint and is easy to scratch unfortunately.
I understand the theory behind your point but, why bother with the adapters. In the second part of your post you say it yourself, the tubing and barb ID is the main bottleneck so why bother using the adaptor, a 1/2OD barb is going to have pretty close to the same ID. I understand they're not identical but, pretty close unless you're using one of the high flow barbs with the 7/16" ID. Or is that strictly your point? Use the same barb just for the sake of consistency between the tests?
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Yes, to make sure both is in the same level. The reason for adapters is because some guys will want to have a certain barb for a uniform look and often, they come in G1/4" only. Even if overall, they look almost the same, there is still a small ID variancy between brands.
The Thermochill is G3/8" so in the past, a good pair of barbs is almost non-existent beside TC ones till recently when EK made them. I bought my set last fall and for the 3/8" ID tubing, there is no barbs available for G3/8" period !
damn martin, you got the job done fast, can't wait for your thermochill and thermal testing, also this rad is not gonna cost 180 more along the lines of 140, they haven't shipped so those are just msrps.
Since Bill Adams did the testing on the PA's, you can be certain the numbers are solid.
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DD going to be the distributor on this also?
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I don't think it's a exclusive distributor because NCIX is ordering directly from Feser.
It currently looks like FrozenCPU and maybe Danger Den are going to carry these rads. Frozen is the only one that have them listed ATM and it looks like the starting price for the 3x120 @ $172.99.damn martin, you got the job done fast
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/72...ml?id=3CN6Be9o
The lowest I see these coming down to ATM is maybe ~$145-150. Still not worth it IMO, even if it does manage to beat a TC of the same size with the same fans @ same voltage.
OT: Random side note. I saw P-PC's was going to sell these as well but have pulled them (and all other Feser products) from the site. Also gone are TC rads, just the 120.1 rad grill remains and will likely disappear as well when sold out.
Last edited by Waterlogged; 03-19-2008 at 09:54 AM.
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Just checked at P-PC's and they still have Feser fluids in the fluids section.....
Hmm, that's weird. Feser doesn't show up in the Manu box on the left. Looks like I jumped the gun on that.I do know that I saw the rads listed a few days ago in the "New Products" section but now their gone.
Last edited by Waterlogged; 03-19-2008 at 10:58 AM. Reason: D'oh...spelling
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I agree, I just don't know what barbs were used for the testing.
Usually it doesn't matter much with a G1/4 barb, but considering the PA can accept G3/8 barbs and these pressure drops are small, it's important to test.
I noticed a difference in my old MCR320 pressure drop testing just switching from 3/8" NPT with 1/2" hosebarbs to 5/8" hosebarbs, so I'm sure the same is possible here.
It's just always a good idea to compare on the same test bed if possible.
Now, someone send a PA120.3 to Martin
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