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    Thumbs up Skulltrail Overclocking

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    Intel D5400XS Skulltrail motherboard
    Dual Intel QX9775 quad core processors
    Cooled by: Dragon F1 Extreme
    EVGA 8800 Ultra SLI
    Cooled by: Tek 9
    Enermax Galaxy
    Mushkin 2GB FB-Dimm
    Mushkin 1GB FB-Dimm
    Micron 2GB FB-Dimm



    Installing

    The board is EATX standard and there is very little room for clearance around the edges on most of the largest cases, this is a Gigabyte Aurora and I have less than a quarter inch clearance.


    On the pic above you can see the sealing on the board to prevent moisture damage.



    The CPU sockets have small sinks on the mosfets that do not clear some after market cooling products including the Zalman heat sinks that Intel sent out to reviewers.




    I had to notch both plastic mounting brackets to get an unobstructed seat on the CPU. I also had to rotate the bracket from its natural position that allowed the lever to swing open and free the CPU, right now I have to remove the bracket to open the lever.

    I also installed a pair of Danger Den blocks where I had clearance issues on both sockets. I had to hack saw the edges of both blocks and die grind the edge of the face of one of the blocks that hit against some caps that are too close and too high to the socket.








    The socket itself is for XEON with 771 pins but the mounting Intel chose to use was for Socket 775 to better suite after market options in cooling so be aware that some intervention may be needed for best fit.

    I found out that ICH9R RAID worked on Skulltrail, all I needed to do was load the new INF drivers and all is up to speed.


    This is 4x 150GB Raptors in RAID 0, onboard controller.

    Loading windows Vista with RAID is fine.

    Memory configurations

    Sequential
    Single channel
    Dual channel
    Dual channel interleave
    Quad channel interleave



    All settable via bios if the memory is installed in the correct slot, if you install memory in channel A it will be set to dual channel interleave. If you space the ram one slot you will reboot to single channel with interleave. If you install all four slots you get quad channel with interleave.

    For most of the tests dual channel with interleave will perform adequately but for the most demanding overclocked stress on cores you will want quad channel with interleave.

    Memory voltage in bios, you can set voltages for memory and for the AMB(buffer) chip. Raising the AMB voltage yielded no gain in timing or speed.

    We tested various modules for bus speed and timing options and here is what we came up with.

    800Mhz Mushkin 1GB
    800Mhz Mushkin 2GB Rev E
    800Mhz Micron 2GB Rev F
    667Mhz Micron 1GB

    With the 1GB modules it allowed us to open the FSB to 430Mhz pretty easy and we ran some 3D benches with 425~427Mhz bus speed. None of the 2GB modules would allow us beyond 406Mhz.



    The Mushkin 2GB modules would allow timing change of cas 4 if they were installed in channel A, I then could install the Micron in channel B and they would run at cas 4. If I install the Micron Ref F it will not post at cas 4, just in channel B.

    All memory could run at 5-4-4-15 timing and that is what was used for the 1GB modules at 425FSB. We ran those two modules in channel A in interleave mode, that equates to dual channel with interleave.

    The memory does get very hot and needs extra cooling for overclocking.

    The north bridge has notches for a fan to be mounted and it runs very hot, hopefully a fan will be supplied with retail versions and even then I would still suggest more cooling here.

    Overclocking

    On (pro) air with the supplied heat sinks I reached a top speed of 4.4Ghz for multicore benches.

    http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4982582



    Stepping up to water cooling pushing past 4.5Ghz is pretty easy and I think I will end up around 4.4Ghz @ 1.45v and keep the fans on low. Im getting used to the silence. I will have several more pushes on water over the next few weeks.



    Under LN2 we reached 5.6Ghz and settled in around 5.55Ghz for the threaded benches. Bios allows 1.6v with .3 offset for a total of 1.9vcore but the droop at 5.55Ghz is around .05v with a swing of +- .04v. There is a droop option in bios as well.

    The cores bugged out around -117c and trip the thermal code for shutdown and refiring was pretty good, no bugs were present when booting into windows at -110c.

    We did have a problem when raising the pcie frequency, the max frequency settable in bios is 120Mhz.

    Other than the lack of vcore the board ran perfect, minimal performance hit with dual channel vs quad channel, we got more out of FSB to hit the perfect Mhz.

    Running SLI

    The Intel Skulltrail motherboard cannot support 3-way SLI. Skulltrail motherboards use two NVIDIA nForce 100 chips as you correctly state below. These chips allow for a maximum of two GeForce cards to work together, enabling SLI between two GeForce GPUs such as the GeForce 8800 Ultra.

    The nForce 100 chips also enable Quad SLI, but only with two GeForce GX2 cards. That is the only method of Quad SLI right now – a card that has two chips on it paired with another dual-chip card.

    There is no Quad SLI with four individual discrete cards – that product does not exist. If you put four Ultras onto Skulltrail, you can only connect two of them (must be connected to the same nF100 chip), and can only enable SLI with one set of cards. You could use the other cards to drive extra monitors, but not overall performance.

    The nForce 100 SLI MCP will NOT support 3-way SLI. This cannot change even with a driver/bios update.

    - Nvidia
    Cooling the north bridge notes.

    When pushing MCH voltage there are a few bugs that arise and some people may have run into without knowing what was going on. 1.4 ~ 1.6 without a really good fan will cause an error in memory bandwidth tests, the first sign is Everest locking up seconds after opening the program. I also noticed BF2 shutting down between map changes with a memory error. I switched over to watercooling on the north bridge and lowered the voltage, everything is running correctly. Ive been running a high FSB and pushing MCH was getting me there but needed a bit more when you apply more than .2v over stock pm the alu heat sink.




    Results

    Skulltrail at the top of the ORB
    http://www.futuremark.com/community/halloffame

    wPrime 32m and 1024m
    http://www.hwbot.org

    New WR Cinebench 10 x64


    Thanks to Intel, EVGA, Nvidia, Mushkin, and Enermax for your support.

    Many thanks to K|ngp|n for flying in from Detroit to blast a 160L tank of LN2 and bringing the custom pots and talent to make this possible.
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    Nice one Fugger and K|ngp|n

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    Congrats on 5.5G run. You guys had amazing fun I am sure
    Thanks for sharing the info also

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    Thanks for feedback, testing, explanation and details guys.

    What was your stock VID and VCore on the QXs?

    Could you monitor CPU temps inside Windows with any software? What did it idle/load approximately at air 4.4G?

    Is the chipset fan really awfully loud?

    How'd the Enermax beast hold up full 5.5G load?

    Is the retail 9775 going to be C0 too?

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    Very nice overview of the system Fugger, especially about the memory. FB-Dimms have always been flaky buggers.
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    Any chance we might get to see 3dmark with this?
    EDIT: nevermind I missed it in the thread -sorry-

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    When are we going to see the QX9775 scores?
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    So...because it only supports 2-card SLi, can you do both Crossfire and SLi at the same time, choosing which set of cards renders which app, so users can get the most out of each app?

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    Hmm running CF with SLI, If I had the CF cards I would give it a try.

    Scores are posted on futuremark 2k6 and hwbot wprime 32m and 1024m.

    The system is silent now, 4.4Ghz stable on water, the fan is silent and moves decent air. I also have a Sunon that is hanging off the other processor over the ram.
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    Great thread Charles!
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    very interesting stuff. Thanks fugger
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    Excellent. Good read.

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    can you run some bandwidth shots of dual and quad channel interleave?

    I am curious to see how it effects 3dmark2001se lobby, and 3dmar2003 airplane tests.
    everest would be nice too.




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    dragothic low responds better to memory bandwidth doesnt it?

    bumping memory voltage didnt help the 2gb sticks at all? Did you try cooling the memory below 0c? On i5000x I was able to hit 428mhz with 4x1GB 667mhz FB-DIMM's with dry ice on them and the chipset.

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    Cooling that northbridge with any standard form of cooling might be a bit of a pain.

    Wicked awsome scores though. Two quads at 5.5ghz. Imagine the crunching capability.

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    Holy crap sub 4s in wprime 32M
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    Looking good indeed...

    Keep pushing it.

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    I was really hoping that the newer rev FB-DIMMs would run cooler, but apparently not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omastar View Post
    I was really hoping that the newer rev FB-DIMMs would run cooler, but apparently not...
    All you need to do is put a decent fan on them.
    I have a clover with FBDimms thats run at 100% load for a year+ with the memory OC'd from 333 to 351.
    Just a simple little Zalman bracket and 92mm fan for $9.00 from newegg handles the temps fine.
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    Benchmark Skulltrail.

    - Mainboard Intel® Desktop Board D5400XS chipset D5400XS, Bios 0821, Intel Chipset Software 8.5.0.1009

    - CPU 2x Core 2 Extreme QX9775 3.2GHz @ 4GHz Socket 771 12MB L2

    - RAM FB-DIMM 2 x 2GB

    - 2 x Zotac 8800 GTX, driver 169.28 & 171.16.

    - Vista Ultimate 64 bit.

    I can't benchmark and play Crysis 64 bit, my system crash, so I only benchmark Crysis 32 bit.

    Benchmark Crysis 32bit with 2 CPU (8 core)


    Benchmark Crysis 32bit with 1 CPU (4 core)


    Crysis doesn't support Dual CPU Quad Core.

    Skulltrail with Driver 171.16, 8800GTX SLI @ 630/1055



    Skulltrail with Driver 169.28, Single 8800GTX Default. Benchmark Crysis 32 bit



    Mainboard Gigabyte 965-DS3, Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.42GHz, Gigabyte 8800GT Turbo Force Default 700/1715/920, 4GB RAM. Benchmark Crysis 64 bit


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    Hi,
    did you tried a CrossFire on this platform? I did only 22k on 3dmark06 with a pair of 2900XT@940/980 an CPUs @ 4.25 GHz

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    I dont have Crossfire cards, Quadfire would be interesting.

    ~ 24k with ultras stock, 4.25Ghz in 06

    ~ 23K with 8800GTS stock

    I added more info, the addition of too much MCH voltage will cause errors if not cooled enough. Everest was bugging me why it locked up.
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    At what speed do you think your system would run 24/7 under 100% load?
    Yea, you know where I'm headed with this..
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    If I was to run @ 100% load 24/7, I would drop it to 400x10.

    Im liking 420x10 now with MCH at 1.3v, no need to touch memory or AMD voltage as well. Im running near silent now and about to put the sides on again.
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