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08-31-2007, 12:21 PM
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Nvidia cheats in HD HQV test
Pure Video can be poor, pixelized
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08-31-2007, 12:24 PM
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It makes you wonder their PQ in gaming as well.
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08-31-2007, 12:32 PM
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PC gamers would prefer Nvidia anyway...
But ya, ATI has been fine tuning the same algorithm for the past, uh, 10 years for its TV chips selling into Sony, Sharp and Samsung.
My guess is that it would take Nvidia at least a good 3-5 years before catching up to ATI in terms of image processing qualities. It's not easy.
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08-31-2007, 12:40 PM
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I can confirm based on my own recent experience that nVidia video processing is lagging considerably behind ATI's (AMD) one.
For example I'm watching Family Guy on my GF7900GS coded to Mpeg4 H264 and black horizontal lines (edges of objects in cartoon) are jumping by 1 pixel quite frequently (bad deinterlacing). It was perfect on ATI x1950pro....
Oh well, my next card will be ATI again 
Edit: This is on latest WHQL driver 162.18!
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08-31-2007, 12:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaminc
Average Joe PC gamers would prefer Nvidia anyway...
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Fixed.
It's not about ATI or nvidia, it's about image quality, performance, price, overclockability, and your waterblock mounts 
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08-31-2007, 12:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
Fixed.
It's not about ATI or nvidia, it's about image quality, performance, price, overclockability, and your waterblock mounts |
agreed
i swear every  ing poll I've seen on a non-tech site has been like 3nvidia 1ATi as far as votes go.
even when ATi had the better card (9800s, x850s, x1900s)
go figure.
ehh I'm probably a bit pro-ATi biased though. conversely I haven't bought an ATicard in 3 years and I've had like 4 or 5 nVidia cards since... ehh go figure
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08-31-2007, 01:00 PM
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I don't think they could seem any more desperate..
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08-31-2007, 01:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaminc
PC gamers would prefer Nvidia anyway...
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You should be banned for saying that!
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08-31-2007, 03:04 PM
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08-31-2007, 03:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
I can confirm based on my own recent experience that nVidia video processing is lagging considerably behind ATI's (AMD) one.
For example I'm watching Family Guy on my GF7900GS coded to Mpeg4 H264 and black horizontal lines (edges of objects in cartoon) are jumping by 1 pixel quite frequently (bad deinterlacing). It was perfect on ATI x1950pro....
Oh well, my next card will be ATI again
Edit: This is on latest WHQL driver 162.18! |
ya, noticed the same on my 7800gt. till now i thought the jumping black lines were due to bad video-recording. seems like i was wrong 
but i got no problems with other cartoons simpsons, futurama, southpark... :F
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08-31-2007, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ownage
You should be banned for saying that! |
Here in 31st, August, 2007, he's right. Nvidia has the fastest cards for a nice price. It's not cheap or a mundane task to keep a sub-zero CF 2900XT gaming rig 24/7... 
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08-31-2007, 03:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
Fixed.
It's not about ATI or nvidia, it's about image quality, performance, price, overclockability, and your waterblock mounts |
Yeah, side by side nobody is going to notice a difference in FPS, but image quality differences will be noticeable.
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Originally Posted by Caparroz
Here in 31st, August, 2007, he's right. Nvidia has the fastest cards for a nice price. It's not cheap or a mundane task to keep a sub-zero CF 2900XT gaming rig 24/7... |
Putting a 2900XT on liquid cooling really brings down the temps
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08-31-2007, 03:46 PM
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Is somebody gonna make a spoof picture like when nVidia made disappear the dragon in 3DMark01?
I remember that one, there was the woman flying on nothing and there was written "best cheat of the year" or something but I can't find it, has anybody here got it?
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08-31-2007, 03:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Caparroz
Nvidia has the fastest cards for a nice price......
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....and that is this issue is a moot point to me and why I will continue to buy nvidia cards for now. I buy expensive video cards to play games. To watch movies, I would much rather get comfortable on my couch and stick the DVD in the DVD player. I can understand how this would be an issue for those running HTPCs though. Realistically though, from what I read, can't this be fixed by just going back a driver version? This wouldn't be the first time there were variations in video playback quality going from driver-to-driver.
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08-31-2007, 03:52 PM
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Reminds me of the infamous driver cooking incident with NV30 where nVidia presented their NV30 (see: Leafblower series) as being better performers than ATI's acclaimed 9700/9800 Pro series in 3DMark01/03 as well as games.
This, of course, was a falsehood. 9800Pro was a monster, and NV was revealed for shill 'tweaking' to force their cards into a better light.
Notice that I have an NV card for gaming and an ATI TV tuner, because the 650 Pro really is superior to any of NV's crap in that department.
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08-31-2007, 05:10 PM
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i told u so 
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08-31-2007, 06:40 PM
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ATI over Nvidia anyday as far as picture quality goes.
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08-31-2007, 07:00 PM
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horrible to think that ive actually considered my next card to be ATI 
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08-31-2007, 07:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by freeloader
ATI over Nvidia anyday as far as picture quality goes.
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its usually that way, except for a few minor cases in the past.
I'd like to see nvidia improve
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08-31-2007, 09:13 PM
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they cheat when down, they cheat when on top.. ati is no more innocent
is there anything new under the sun?
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08-31-2007, 09:20 PM
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heh, both AMD and Nvidia cheat in benchmark, what matters is who's cheating is noticeble anyways.
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08-31-2007, 09:59 PM
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http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
I will let the statistics speak for itself.
Now only if Blizzard publish hardware statistics for the whole World of Warcraft...
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Originally Posted by Shintai
DRAM production lines are simple and extremely cheap in a ultra low profit market.
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08-31-2007, 10:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
its usually that way, except for a few minor cases in the past.
I'd like to see nvidia improve
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Improbable. Nvidia does not sell any chips to TV manufacturers. ATI sell chips to TV manufacturers like Sony, Samsung, Sharp and others. Who do you think knows how do design for image quality better?
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DRAM production lines are simple and extremely cheap in a ultra low profit market.
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08-31-2007, 10:25 PM
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Avivo has always been far superior to Pure Video. From the way things are now, it'll be like that for a while too.
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08-31-2007, 11:53 PM
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I think its good enough cuz most people will not notice anyway.
And if you cant notice it (sitting home in front of tv) then why care ?
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