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    LONG POST!! - Cruncher Farm mass WC project

    As promised, I'm here to report on my farm's mass water cooling project....... Wow, where should I begin? How about we start from the beginning....

    In the beginning, God created the Heaven and the Earth.
    And the earth was without form............Wait a minute, that's a bit too early in the beginning......

    Let's try this.....I've been a "lurker" in the liquid forum for quite a while. I finally had something to ask and joined up in Mar 07. While hanging out there, a thread started titled AARP blah blah blah. It was, and still is a golden thread. I met Movieman there.

    Then there was this "contest" between something called XSTA and XSTM. Dave PM'ed me to ask me to come and help out. I knew a tiny bit about distributed computing, but I could not figure out where to start. (Quite frankly, each of the teams needs a short, concise, explanation of who they are, what they do, and why a rookie should join up. This should be a sticky, and locked to prevent it from getting hijacked.....Of course, I learned later that Dave is probably one of the best thread-jackers on XS!! )

    I joined up and put a QX6700 machine on the team. I followed all the banter and participated in a bit myself. I also saw the blow up occur and stayed out of it since I didn't know what was going on. My mantra was crunch, crunch, crunch. In the process, I saw a lot of you show your character. I was very impressed with the caliber of folks on this part of the forum. I made a commitment to the cause, and to the team, that a farm was coming.

    I have thrown thousands of dollars in the toilet, in the past, on wasted hobbies and too many interests. (not counting my bar tabs... ) Well, you get older and smarter. It's really true.... I finally found something here that I could get my hands on. For me, it's about cancer. That's why I crunch and spend money. I've given to American Cancer Society in the past, only to wonder what that money did to help. This way, I can see it by the project reports. I'm not about points. I'm about the cure. When I pass, I do so quietly. When I get passed, I pull over to the side to let the teammate by. (Now Team 2ch, that's another story, we can't let them get too far ahead of us!! )

    So, I'm a professional staff electrical engineer for Motorola Inc, designing public safety communication systems. Now what? I build a rack of machines of course!!!

    Here it is, as well as me, after cleaning out the hamster cages....



    Anyone familiar with sharp farm implements will notice that I'm holding a manure fork, not a straw/hay pitchfork. Anyone doubting this can look here I have the number 74223 fork....Didn't know they still made it....Good to know that cr*p hasn't changed much over the years....Those hamsters are quite the producers of manure, particularly with the special DDT chow....

    I knew I wanted to water cool this rack so I threw on all the best coolers I had, and refused to buy more air coolers. I was left running the lower machines on stock coolers. This led to loaded temps in the 70s....

    Working with Alex at Petra's, I came to the following plan.



    Alex suggested the series pump idea for redundancy. I decided to make two loops. I came to this plan with HW failures in mind. If one pump fails, no biggie. The other pump is there. If two pumps in a loop fail, it's worse, but water will (and does) flow backward through the failed loop from the other loop. Quite remarkable. (And yes, I know you're not supposed to run water through a Laing backwards, but remember, it a failed loop, so who cares?)

    Here's the initial parts pic of the main gizmos in the plan. Got to have that on a build thread. Notice the pink/orange Petra pen? I've got a few of those. The whole mess was about $1,100 with additional tubing and parts I added later. And for Dave the XS toolman, that is a digital machinist's caliper on the mat.... As near as I can figure out, the radiator is from an 88 Chevy Astro Van. It was at a friend's body shop with no vehicle around it. The price was right, so I didn't mind cleaning it out....THANKS JIM H!!!



    (Shameless plug. Petra's absolutely rocks for watercoolers. Best place for a noob too. Alex or Quoc will always steer you right, and away from the junk kits out there....)


    OK, here's lots of stuff put together. Cable mess, WC rack proto, I know, a bit ugly. Clean up will occur on placement to final location. The WC gear is going to go on a rack mount tray. That's why it's prototyped the way it is. Nice and compact. The 2x2s will go away...



    OK, quiz time. This took me a bit to figure out. Look in the middle of the cooler at the white 3/4 cap sticking up. You'll see I have plumbed a T-line. I had thought that I would have to use it to charge the upper machines in the rack. I don't. I can fill by using only the radiator cap. Most convenient... Why doesn't the water from the higher machines just spill out and overflow the rad cap? Notice the cap is off in this pic and the upper machine tubes are full. Ten points to the first correct answer and 20 to the most complete. This should spark the hydraulic folks out there....I think I know the answer, but I had to consult an old fluid dynamics book. This was a pleasant accidental design element for me. It's cool to be able to treat maintenance on this like a car...

    More details on how to handle mass cooling hose placement in a machine for service. This is the outside of the top machine in the rack. Note the grommets.



    ....and the inside of the same machine. This allows you to pull the entire machine by dis-mounting the CPU block and pulling it up through the slots. That way, you don't have to stop all the machines and drain the loops to pull a single machine out. In addition, the hoses are long enough to allow the machine to come forward full for servicing without doing anything. I'll be reporting on how this goes in future posts. I've got to come up with a service jig to make this easy.....



    Now detail on the WC main part. The pics are front (with 120mm fan for scale), RH side, Rear, and LH side in quick order. I can make more detailed pics of any areas you may be interested in. No secrets here. Remember though, this is proto.....






    On the LH pic notice the house well pump filter. This is something we are VERY familiar with here in the Pac NW. This is on the suction/supply side of the gizmo. It is for filtering out the odd crap that is STILL coming out of the rad. It is 50 mesh, or about 300 microns. I don't suggest any finer or coarser. 50 mesh is perfect. This was about 80 bucks, not cheap, but a lot cheaper than throwing chunks into your loop of $5k worth of quads....Also notice the ball valves on the filter. These are used for air bleed of the system. I'll post more "how-too" on that later. It took awhile to come up with this, and lots of distilled water sprayed around...

    OK, you've either stuck with me for the above, or came to the bottom for results. Here they are.....These contain my initial coretemp numbers, an interim step when I had 3 machine in one loop, and two flavors of finals. Oh, I forgot, part of what I did was develop a custom speed controller for the fan. I have two speed levels of data here. On low, the WC machine is VERY quiet for it's size. On "medium" it's about like a 20" box fan on low setting. At high, well, it is a van radiator after all.....



    What's next?? OVERCLOCK the living be-jeebers out of the farm!!! Look how low the clocks are now!!! That's not very Xtreme!!

    I'm not a very accomplished clocker. Expect a bunch of questions on this topic. I looked at some posts and go WTF, how can you get that thing that high....I'm missing something here...

    I sincerely hope this gives some inspiration to all those struggling with temps and farming. Car radiators rock, for the right application. This can be made cheaper if you wish. I am always open to PM for most questions if you don't want to post. I would encourage you to do so though. That way, we all learn, as I have....

    Thanks much to all of you, my teammates, cheers...
    Bob
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    Bob, I must say I am quite impressed with your hard work and dedication.. There are many here among us that go pretty far to get crunchers running efficiently.. Well, you've gone above and beyond and for this I solute you

    Now, get your spare bedroom ready I'm heading out there and we'll oc the hell out of those thing

    Dave never goes off topic I have no idea where you could have even though of such a thing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by njkid32 View Post
    Bob, I must say I am quite impressed with your hard work and dedication.. There are many here among us that go pretty far to get crunchers running efficiently.. Well, you've gone above and beyond and for this I solute you

    Now, get your spare bedroom ready I'm heading out there and we'll oc the hell out of those thing

    Dave never goes off topic I have no idea where you could have even though of such a thing..
    Come on out. You're the best at the OC art I know of....even without the pink tutu....

    Seriously, are we all gonna meet at the CES in Vegas in January? I'll be there for it...

    As to Dave on topic, well......<shuts his mouth, in deference to the Irish blarney stone...>

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    That is one big cooling station you ave there

    I'm still impressed by the looks of racks it has something...

    But for maintenence wasn't it easier to use quick release connectors on each case? Now you will have to open up the case before you have it out of the rack.

    Well now go for the clocks every mhz will count

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramaistro View Post
    That is one big cooling station you ave there

    I'm still impressed by the looks of racks it has something...

    But for maintenence wasn't it easier to use quick release connectors on each case? Now you will have to open up the case before you have it out of the rack.

    Well now go for the clocks every mhz will count
    It's two series loops. Can't do quick connects.....It would burn the other two machines in the loop. Thought about that too...

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    Thumbs up

    Wow very impressive setup you've got there Bob!! Will definitely give a big boost in Team Xtreme's WCG effort!

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    Incrediable job, well done!

    crunching for a cure does make this hobby alot more fun, and I am 38, so now my family seems to understand a bit more, and the wife is beginning to give me a bit more leeway on the budget. So when the house is done, may have have to sow a few seeds, and get the hamsters multiplying myself.

    Again, well done.
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    Wow, impressive. Anyway, you should be able to hit 3.2 ghz for the Q6600 B3s easily.
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    my goodness do you actually have a pitchfork ?

    :P

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    Bob... I'm still thrawling through the information. This has helped my day.

    Any you're not too ugly either.... for an old guy..


    EDIT: Oh... that watercap open in the rad, is it because the feed and the return for the upper machines... the rad points are submerged, so no back air to replace the possible displacement? Damn... archimedes died a long time.
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    Haha pitchfork picture rulez

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123bob View Post
    It's two series loops. Can't do quick connects.....It would burn the other two machines in the loop. Thought about that too...

    Regards,
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    Ow yeah forgot about that. BTW are you going to build a cover for over the box?

    Edit: One question tho, wasn't it easier if u used the 1u version of the block? Well maybe not because the hoses needed to go out on the top of the casings.
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    Nice!

    Why doesn't the water from the higher machines just spill out and overflow the rad cap?
    Because you are using your pumps to pull
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    Let me know you when you are ready to ship it. I am already making room for it. Thanks for doing this for me, Bob. It has turned out better than I expected. You're the best.

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    Absolutely fantastic looking!

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    That is awesome, very nice work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by [XC] serlv View Post
    Let me know you when you are ready to ship it. I am already making room for it. Thanks for doing this for me, Bob. It has turned out better than I expected. You're the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [XC] serlv View Post
    Let me know you when you are ready to ship it. I am already making room for it. Thanks for doing this for me, Bob. It has turned out better than I expected. You're the best.

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    Dam Farmer BoB that is some cool arse shiz and that is the cleanest I can say that Now OC them buggers to the moon
    Need to get the misses in the picture like the classic ma and pa farmer pic but with some high tech redneck gear



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    wow im in love with that rack bob, congrats really beautiful thing you have there
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    Quote Originally Posted by [cTx] mysticmerlin View Post
    Need to get the misses in the picture like the classic ma and pa farmer pic but with some high tech redneck gear
    Yes and a few farm animals for Scott.... just to spice it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [XC] riptide View Post
    Yes and a few farm animals for Scott.... just to spice it up.
    do we have to take ever thread OT with your sick fetishes?



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    Quote Originally Posted by [cTx] mysticmerlin View Post
    do we have to take ever thread OT with your sick fetishes?
    Its not sick. Its the most natural thing in the world.

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    Very nice, Bob!!

    What did that Rad come from? NVM, found it.

    Very cool...

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