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    ESReality Mouse "Roundup"

    Laser vs Optical

    In almost every mouse review I've read, the writer makes the automatic assumption that laser mice must be better than optical. I imagine it's down to the perceived firepower of each word. No one ever destroyed an Imperial Cruiser with an LED gun. The performance benchmarks show that todays batch of laser mice can't keep up with the finely tuned optical ones. They do have slightly higher resolution, but not enough to make up for their poor performance at speed.


    Overclocking the Mouse USB port

    Some Logitech and Microsoft mice have a huge performance boost when you overclock the mouse port, because of an interface limit. Specifically they are: Logitech's MX300 & MX500 and Microsoft's WMO, IE3.0 & Laser 6000. My recommendation is to set the USB rate to 500Hz for these mice, but using a USB tool that only affects the port that has the mouse plugged in. The response on other mice did not change when overclocking the USB port (or they had a higher clock rate by default).


    Next Steps

    For future articles I hope to include a wider range of mice (assuming the manufacturers get around to sending samples), and benchmark new products as they are released. The Razer DeathAdder is coming very soon so there will be a new article for that as soon as I get hold of a sample. I'm currently building a database to make it easy to find detailed information about any mouse you might be interested in.

    I will be posting a followup article where I test the most popular mice on various mousepads to determine which surfaces produce the best response. Steelpad and Qpad have both sent samples for this article but I still need a wider range to test. If you make mousepads for gaming please get in touch with me, so I do not miss out your products!

    I hope to build more benchmarking setups to test different aspects of the mouse apart from the speed-response characteristics. This would include the mouse buttons, sensor latency, and output smoothness. Scoring these different attributes is slightly more complicated but I have a good idea of how to go about creating the tests.


    Final Thoughts

    This article has taken me many weeks to devise, build and compile. It is the culmination of a huge number of discussions in the ESReality forums, and the heated debate that goes on about mouse performance on this site. I hope the results are useful, and indeed I would be glad to see information from this article make it's way on to future mouse reviews (although links back to here would be even better!) I hope that producing real benchmarks for gaming mice go some way to ensuring competition between manufacturers and better hardware in the end for us to play on.

    If you have a mouse or mousepad that you want involved in these MouseScore benchmarks, contact me to arrange delivery.
    # Page 1: Benchmarking Mice
    # Page 2: How Much Is Enough?
    # Page 3: Benchmarking Equipment
    # Page 4: MS Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a
    # Page 5: MS Intellimouse Explorer 3.0
    # Page 6: MS Intellimouse Explorer 4.0
    # Page 7: MS Laser Mouse 6000
    # Page 8: MS Habu Gaming Mouse
    # Page 9: Razer Krait
    # Page 10: Razer Diamondback
    # Page 11: Razer Copperhead
    # Page 12: Logitech MX300
    # Page 13: Logitech MX500
    # Page 14: Logitech MX518
    # Page 15: Logitech G1
    # Page 16: Logitech G3
    # Page 17: Logitech G5
    # Page 18: Creative Fatal1ty 1010
    # Page 19: Creative Fatal1ty 2020
    # Page 20: A4tech X7
    # Page 21: Comparisons
    # Page 22: MouseScore2007 Results

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    Yea that is an awesome article. Very well done. I was very happy to see them point out the issue regarding laser vs. optical.

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    Wow very nice review. Been looking for a new mouse now that I realized laser is crap. Might grab an MX500...
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    Yeah, it was well written and I can see that a lot of efforts were put into.

    But .. OCing your mouse? Well, I guess Xtreme OC has no boundaries,eh.

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    Very nice read!
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    Oh, I just wished they would have also included Razer's Deathadder, but I guess it was released too late....I really would like to see a decent review of it.

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    too bad they excluded the MX1000...
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    Nice article!!

    How does the MX510 differ from the MX500?
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    I've killed two mx510 mice (not physically damaged) and I was overclocking USB port. 1st died after 6 months, the 2nd one after 3 months. I don't know it might be coincidence, maybe not. I haven't tried it with my new G5, still works fine after a year but I will try
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    Quote Originally Posted by WesM63
    Nice article!!

    How does the MX510 differ from the MX500?
    800dpi vs 400dpi is all afaik

    Overclocking the mouse also introduced it to input lag for my mx500, if that makes any sense..
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    NO - I'm not the reviewer, but I saw a nice article that makes some good points and I fought it would be nice to share it whit others.

    Quote Originally Posted by WesM63
    How does the MX510 differ from the MX500?
    MX510 vs. MX518


    Image processing/capture rate

    MX500 = 4.7 mega pixels per second
    MX510 = 5.8 mega pixels per second

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    Tracking acceleration:

    MX500 = 10g
    MX510 = 15g

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    Design:


    Logitech® MX™500


    Logitech™ MX510


    In rest they are the same, don't know for sure if MX510 has 800 DPI or 400 DPI like MX500, until now even this was suppose to have 800 DPI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Budwise
    too bad they excluded the MX1000...
    The reviewer is an ex pro q3 player. Real gamers know wireless sucks.
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    you are entitled to your opinion. I am active in TWL, World Tournament, and other ladders in gaming and i use an MX1000 and wouldnt trade it for anything. I guess since i dont think wireless sucks i must not be a real gamer A friend of mine just moved from a MX1000 to a G7 and now wishes he had his MX1000 back... To say that only wired mice belong in gaming is quite a statement.
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    I also wish they would have included the MX1000. Excellent read though...and very interesting that they rank the old MX500 #1. That was my OLD mouse. I'd like to move on, but...they really think its the best?
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    Quote Originally Posted by afireinside
    The reviewer is an ex pro q3 player. Real gamers know wireless sucks.
    True! - as you can see there is no wireless mouse in that review, for them was like Cheating, and true gamers don't use Cheats

    you are entitled to your opinion. I am active in TWL, World Tournament, and other ladders in gaming and i use an MX1000 and wouldnt trade it for anything.
    I had my best aiming experience whit ball mice (cheap ones), used to be better then others whit Professional Optical/Laser mice - then I moved to optical and s****d for some time, after that I moved to laser (MX1000), it was a disaster, from elite -> to n00b aiming, moved back to Optical and got used to it, in the past I used to be a God all the time, now I feel like Hercules - Semi God whit God strength from time to time .
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    eh. i'm still using a ball mouse...



    thinking about giving the mx518 a try though..

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    I've always used wireless mice and Games, and I have to agree the MX1000 is a great wireless mouse for gaming. Zero lag. The MX Revolution on the other hand? For-get-it.
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    Well, my MX1000 was zero-lag until I switched to LCD. Now I need something faster
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    Laser mice "skips" for player whit low sensitivity.

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    MX500 is 800dpi which is just fine, I run mine at 500Hz (2ms) and after 3 years or so it's still doing just as good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biohead
    MX500 is 800dpi which is just fine, I run mine at 500Hz (2ms) and after 3 years or so it's still doing just as good.
    Actually after being tested it was found to have only 400DPI (in link from first post) - 800DPI was false marketing, something very common this days (same as whit LCD's )

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