GTX 560 Coming soon!

[Sam_oslo]

true but this is not meant to fight the 6950/6970 more so the 6870....which is will utterly destroy... looking to be a freaking SWEET card...IF it's priced well.

Yeah, 560 is the 3th in nVidias single-GPU line up (560> 570>580 line), and actually falls into mainstream, but AMD has chosen to use it's 2th GPU 6950 and "degrade" it to a 1GB-mainstream to fight it.

That's not a fare fight, LOL, and then AMD may even get the upper hand in performance (maybe, but we have to wait and see).
But even then, the mainstream-battle is not about performance-crown, it's all about price/performance.
The battle is going to be fought in price-arena, in this round.

If I'm not mistaking, nVidia is going to price this well, but nVidia shouldn't have a big problem to put a big blow on 275$, after all this their mainstream card. We have to wait and see how aggressive they will get, tho.

[Manicdan]

Yeah, 560 is the 3th in nVidias single-GPU line up (560> 570>580 line), and actually falls into mainstream, but AMD has chosen to use it's 2th GPU 6950 and "degrade" it to a 1GB-mainstream to fight it.

That's not a fare fight, LOL, and then AMD may even get the upper hand in performance (maybe, but we have to wait and see).
But even then, this mainstream-battle is not about performance-crown, it's all about price/performance.
The battle is going to be fought in price-arena, in this round.

If I'm not mistaking, nVidia is going to price this well, but nVidia shouldn't have big difficulties to put a big blow on 275$. We have to wait and see how aggressive this will get, tho.

interesting perspective

but isnt the die of a 6950 still smaller than a 560?

[highoctane]

but isnt the die of a 6950 still smaller than a 560?

Not from what I recall, 460 is smaller and I would expect 560 to be very similar, 6950 is larger than cypress isn't it.

[Olivon]

interesting perspective

but isnt the die of a 6950 still smaller than a 560?

No. Cayman is 389mm2 and GF114 is ~367mm2 probably.

[Sam_oslo]

interesting perspective

but isnt the die of a 6950 still smaller than a 560?

I don't care about die size, yields, number of transistors, etc .. I don't know if these factors affect the manufacturing costs either.
As far as I know, they use most on R&D, not manufacturing, but anyways why should I care? Shareholders and those on payroll should care about these stuff.

As a consumer, I don't know, and don't care how much it cost to produce these cards. I only care about the price/performance/power usage for a mainstream card.

[Lanek]

Yeah, 560 is the 3th in nVidias single-GPU line up (560> 570>580 line), and actually falls into mainstream, but AMD has chosen to use it's 2th GPU 6950 and "degrade" it to a 1GB-mainstream to fight it.

That's not a fare fight, LOL, and then AMD may even get the upper hand in performance (maybe, but we have to wait and see).
But even then, the mainstream-battle is not about performance-crown, it's all about price/performance.
The battle is going to be fought in price-arena, in this round.

If I'm not mistaking, nVidia is going to price this well, but nVidia shouldn't have a big problem to put a big blow on 275$, after all this their mainstream card. We have to wait and see how aggressive they will get, tho.

Im not right with you, a 6870 PCS+ (940mhz ) with actual driver completely destroy a HD5870 ( so largely faster of the 470 ), XFX release this month a 975mhz version of it .... As i don't see the 560 at 480 level ( so 570 level ), im not really sure you will see a bad fight allready between 560 & 6870 ... let's alone the 6950 1gb, the card will be largely covered between the new 6870's and the 69501gb.

[[XC] hipno650]

Im not right with you, a 6870 PCS+ (940mhz ) with actual driver completely destroy a HD5870 ( so largely faster of the 470 ), XFX release this month a 975mhz version of it .... As i don't see the 560 at 480 level ( so 570 level ), im not really sure you will see a bad fight allready between 560 & 6870 ... let's alone the 6950 1gb, the card will be largely covered between the new 6870's and the 69501gb.

I have owned and benched both a 6870 and a 5870 in the same system in a direct comparison and thats flat out wrong... the only thing i could get the 6870 to win in was Heaven extreme tess but a stock GTX 460 beat both of the 6870 and the 5870 anyways.

you also seem to forget the GTX 470 OCs MUCH MUCH better then a 5870 or 6870...

also did you not see the 3DMark11 numbers of the 1GHZ core where almost on par with a stock GTX 480 so if you can show me a bench were an OCed 6870 is any-ware near as fast as a GTX 480/570 then maybe I will believe you.

the biggest threat the GTX 560 will have will be the HD6950 1GB but I am willing to bet the 560 will be a decent bunch cheaper. IMO AMD will need to drop the 6870 to $200 or under. which would be totally awesome for everyone...

[eXa]

IMO AMD will need to drop the 6870 to $200 or under. which would be totally awesome for everyone...

Thats what im waiting for