New 3200+ Half The Cache, 11x multi

[Karnivore]

Just picked this up tonight, not sure what to think about this, looked and couldn't find anything else about this proc....


Still looking for the max OC, this is on Boxed cooling for now..

Update when i hit the top on air...

[Alex08]

wow first time i've seen that stepping. goodluck oc'in it.

2388 @ 1.55v is great for air.

[Karnivore]

Not exactly thrilled about the 512 cache

2450 @ default voltage on air...

[dr^MiFF^]

where did you happen to pick that one up at Karnivore?

[Geforce4ti4200]

looks like you either got a defective 3400+ or an overclocked 3000+ I did hear of the newcastles too but I think they are for s939 only

[eva2000]

interesting indeed i have a newcastle AMD64 3000+ doesn't do much over 2266-2300mhz at 1.68v vcore on air

[Karnivore]

Picked it up from fry's, they actually tried charging me 20 bucks over the old 3200+ price for this thing.. He was well aware that this was a newcastle core, so obviously this is what we are heading for in the Socket 754, they still had the old price posted on the wall so i got the old price...

Seems like an OK clocker, but its going back after I try it under the Prom, if I wanted 512 cache I would buy a 3000+

I guess I'll probably return it and cough up the additional $$$ for a 3400+ Guess I better before AMD decides all the 754's should be 512

Here is a screenie of the proc @ max volts my K8NPro (not modded) can give it..

[`schr0et]

Wow... I never would've guessed the extra 512K cache would impact it that much ?!

I'm running 2640, 240x11 @ 1.7V 5:4 on A64 3400+ CAAOC 408 C0 w/ Mach II GT
ZNF3-250GB PRO VCore mod (1.55 in bios = 1.68 real time) I got 35s 1M with a 5:4 ratio with memory at 188 FSB.

I'm really surprised at your 1M being so high with those clocks tho...

I recall early when A64s came that people were all talking about how 512K less cache had little performance difference :?

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[EmineM]

a guy in germany had a 3400+ newcastle core... it was awesome did 2950 mhz on a vapo ls cache but multi of 12x

[Geforce4ti4200]

"I recall early when A64s came that people were all talking about how 512K less cache had little performance difference"


I guess they were wrong. some dude tried a 3000+ and got 19.2k stock on 9800p while the 3200+ got him 19.9k! if he had win 2k he would have been a few 100 marks higher for both. seems like the extra cache is worth 150-200MHz more and only scales better as the cpu and gpu clocks increase. still 512k cache at 2.5GHz isnt that bad, dont you think its worth keeping an overclocking gem?

[`schr0et]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
"I recall early when A64s came that people were all talking about how 512K less cache had little performance difference"


I guess they were wrong. some dude tried a 3000+ and got 19.2k stock on 9800p while the 3200+ got him 19.9k! if he had win 2k he would have been a few 100 marks higher for both. seems like the extra cache is worth 150-200MHz more and only scales better as the cpu and gpu clocks increase. still 512k cache at 2.5GHz isnt that bad, dont you think its worth keeping an overclocking gem?

I don't think its worth it, because if you look at the scores the lack of 1MB cache is making a sound difference, so the added clocks seem to be negated by lack of a full 1MB L2 Cache.

What good is a 2.5 Ghz 512K processor when its only as fast as a 2.3 Ghz w/ 1MB L2?

Seems like the NC's are more like "upgraded" Barton's then they are real A64's.

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[Geforce4ti4200]

would he be able to get at least 2.3GHz if he resold the newcastle 3200+ and bought a real 3200+ with a meg of cache? also while theres a big difference in 3dmark, some people say in games the differences is more like 50MHz

[Alex08]

can i point out something?

how are you achieving a multi of 11 on a 3200+?

[HKPolice]

Originally posted by Alex08
can i point out something?

how are you achieving a multi of 11 on a 3200+?

Newcastles are CG revision, and have 512K L2 instead of 1MB, so AMD bumps up the clock by 200Mhz. So the older clawhammer CO revision 3200+ is 1MB L2. 2Ghz, the CG 3200+ is 512K L2, 2.2Ghz

[HKPolice]

I would like to see some STOCK benchmarks of a 2.2Ghz newcastles vs 2Ghz clawhammer, would be very interesting to see, anyone got links?

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
would he be able to get at least 2.3GHz if he resold the newcastle 3200+ and bought a real 3200+ with a meg of cache? also while theres a big difference in 3dmark, some people say in games the differences is more like 50MHz

First thanks Schr0et, you saved me some typing, my opinion exactly...


GF4, the last 3000+ I had did 2350 with the same cooling, and in 3DM, comes pretty close to this 3200+, bottomline, the 150mhz is NOT worth 100 bux...

2.3 from a 3200 plus is nothing special, 3DMark and gaming isn't my only reason to get the A64, Hell my P4 kills the A64 by a good margin... The loss of half the cache will make a difference for me..


Alex08, if you look closely at my initial post, and the contained screenshot, you'll notice this is AMD's better idea, this IS the next gen of the 3200+, AMD castrated it by wacking off half the cache, and upped the default multiplier to 11....

I could probably pick through a few 3000+ procs and get nearly the same results, plus the added benefit of additional mem speed...

[Ragnarok]

Since everyone is pimping their chip

I might as well pimp mine

On a stock Mach II this chip, max benching speed is 2860

[Geforce4ti4200]

am I right in saying the newcastle dies are smaller and start with half the cache from the get go, no disabling bad cache like on the 3000+ cause the newcastles were made with 512k in mind, theres none to disable? this means smaller die, less heat and higher overclocks. cheaper for amd to make and the savings will soon be passed to us customers. imagine a newcastle 3200+ at $200 that does like 2.6GHz quite easy

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Ragnarok


Since everyone is pimping their chip

I might as well pimp mine

On a stock Mach II this chip, max benching speed is 2860

uhhh, ok, no one pimping A64's though, having a discussion about the Castrated A64's... Not quite sure how a castrated, Air cooled 3200+ is relative to a Mach2 cooled 3400+

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
am I right in saying the newcastle dies are smaller and start with half the cache from the get go, no disabling bad cache like on the 3000+ cause the newcastles were made with 512k in mind, theres none to disable? this means smaller die, less heat and higher overclocks. cheaper for amd to make and the savings will soon be passed to us customers. imagine a newcastle 3200+ at $200 that does like 2.6GHz quite easy

Maybe in the future, but right now, I'd bet they want a place to go with the failed chips and as for heat output this thing runs very near same temps as my friends 3400+ around the same speed... Gonna be a while before you see a 3200+ at that price..

I also wouldn't quite expect 2.6 as a normal, quite easy occurence. From what I've seen this is somewhere above average doing 2.5 @1.7 volts..
Not a gem as you descibed, but not a dud either.

[stayfrosty]

i dont like the looks of this newcastle that super pi time is real slow on my reg 3200+ i can get 41 s @2.2ghz

[scrible88]

yep I can do 38 seconds with my axp-m @ 2550mhz and 36 seconds @ 2875mhz.

[Karnivore]

Don't put to much weight in the benchy times, they were just a quick shot at stability, If I put some decent memory in it, tightened up the timing, and a few other minor tweaks those numbers would drop considerably...

[Ragnarok]

sorry wrong pic, supposed to be one with the super pi/pifast results... but cant find it now

blah i will just go run it again ..

[Karnivore]

Originally posted by Ragnarok
sorry wrong pic, supposed to be one with the super pi/pifast results... but cant find it now

blah i will just go run it again ..

Please thats quite all right the thread will do fine without it, If you have a Newcastle, or even a 3200+ 1mb cache that would be a little more suited to this thread than bragging about something that isn't all that impressive...