*****Official***** DFI NF4 ultra-D first look

**c42** · 01-24-2005, 07:31 PM

Yea, but if longer, perhaps the cooling could get in the way?

**Skip** · 01-24-2005, 07:58 PM

can you even slide a piece of paper in between that?

**situman** · 01-24-2005, 08:10 PM

if tat fan ever dies its gonna be one heck of a search to find a replacement that would fit in that tiny space

**reject** · 01-24-2005, 08:24 PM

if you have a 6800 in the top slot the fan is gonna suck 50c air off the mosfets and ram right into the chipset ouch
the nforce 3/4 chipest is in a really bad position. with a nv5 silencer i have a via nb hs and i had to bend some pins to allow for clearance.
i think wel will all have to go to water/ chiller/phase just to get away from the chipset

**c42** · 01-24-2005, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by reject

if you have a 6800 in the top slot the fan is gonna suck 50c air off the mosfets and ram right into the chipset ouch
the nforce 3/4 chipest is in a really bad position. with a nv5 silencer i have a via nb hs and i had to bend some pins to allow for clearance.
i think wel will all have to go to water/ chiller/phase just to get away from the chipset

Yea what I was thinking of doing down the road, but don't want to have to w/c the gpu to start off, I'll need to save a little more =\.

**xgman** · 01-25-2005, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by flexy

a "hardware fix" is in the works - one week before the launch ?

That's why the launch hasn't come already. It's a hardware fix for "smoother performance" and a bios update according to what DFI (incl. Vivian) told me. I recieved a email from DFI yesterday saying the shipment was delayed 1 week.

**cpulloverclock** · 01-25-2005, 06:57 AM

Today the first DFI have been sent by DFI TW to DFI NL for Europe.
Waited on Thursday (01/27/05)

**xgman** · 01-25-2005, 07:02 AM

That's good news.

**Brum Man** · 01-25-2005, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by cpulloverclock

Today the first DFI have been sent by DFI TW to DFI NL for Europe.
Waited on Thursday (01/27/05)

Sorry what is DFI NL? (I tak it TW means taiwain)

So they should be ready for sale soon? What do you mean "waited on thursday"?

Sorry for not understanding!!!

**SlackeR** · 01-25-2005, 07:54 AM

TW= taiwan, yes.
NL= holland.
Waited would be awaited i guess. As in they should arrive thursday

**HARDCORECLOCKER** · 01-25-2005, 08:02 AM

Oh yes - english language is a profession............

**Brum Man** · 01-25-2005, 08:05 AM

Cheers for clearing that up!!!

So it could be as early as next week that we start seing these boards appear then, just need to get a bloody graphics card now.

**OPPAINTER** · 01-25-2005, 08:37 AM

DFI and OCZ VX, there is no substitute

OPP

**Ferry82** · 01-25-2005, 08:42 AM

WOW

Great score you got there OPP

DFI holland he WT

thats where i life :banana4:
Sow i should get this board soon the said friday but i have hardfeelings about that.

**trans am** · 01-25-2005, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by OPPAINTER

DFI and OCZ VX, there is no substitute

OPP and 3d mark 2001se ORB, there is no contest.

**Tempest25** · 01-25-2005, 09:15 AM

1st post :banana4:

I'm about 2/3 of the way through this thread and hope this hasn't been asked yet, but I'm anxious to find out if this board has a feature to automatically rollback to safe settings (or last known good settings) if you overclock too far so you can boot into the BIOS and make changes without clearing the CMOS every time.

I just got done messing with multiple MSI Neo2 Plat boards (had a few replacements) that I ordered a while ago because I got impatient waiting for this board and finally gave up on them. There's FAR too many problems with them. Each one seemed to have it's own quirks. I've never been so frustrated working with a MB before.

That MB required a CMOS clear when choosing incorrect/incompatible settings and it was a HUGE pain. Asus boards I've had in the past have a nice feature that automatically rolls back the settings on reboot if the prior boot locked up.

Please tell me this board has a similar feature, especially with all the settings present in the BIOS. I've never worked with a DFI board before so I'm not familiar with how their boards normally work.

**OPPAINTER** · 01-25-2005, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Tempest25

1st post :banana4:

I'm about 2/3 of the way through this thread and hope this hasn't been asked yet, but I'm anxious to find out if this board has a feature to automatically rollback to safe settings (or last known good settings) if you overclock too far so you can boot into the BIOS and make changes without clearing the CMOS every time.

I just got done messing with multiple MSI Neo2 Plat boards (had a few replacements) that I ordered a while ago because I got impatient waiting for this board and finally gave up on them. There's FAR too many problems with them. Each one seemed to have it's own quirks. I've never been so frustrated working with a MB before.

That MB required a CMOS clear when choosing incorrect/incompatible settings and it was a HUGE pain. Asus boards I've had in the past have a nice feature that automatically rolls back the settings on reboot if the prior boot locked up.

Please tell me this board has a similar feature, especially with all the settings present in the BIOS. I've never worked with a DFI board before so I'm not familiar with how their boards normally work.

There is a jumper on the board that is supose to do that, it won't clear Cmos, it will leave your settings.
Also, you can store your Bios settings in the bios. If you happen to clear cmos you can always load your saved bios settings.

Welcome to Xtreme

OPP

**Patrickclouds** · 01-25-2005, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER

Oh yes - english language is a profession............

yes it´s often hard to understand what some people mean

i´ll hope to receive this board at the end of the week

but i only believe it when my hands touch the board

**Tempest25** · 01-25-2005, 10:29 AM

Thanks! While that's not exactly what I was hoping for, it's still much better than the hell MSI puts you through.

Grats on the great scores BTW. I'm tempted to return the Patriot 3200 XBL stuff I just received and go OCZ VX instead. I'm not sure if the minor performance difference I may gain is worth the $45 difference though (including shipping to return and on the new order - I know someone would have corrected me to $30 if I hadn't explained

)

Originally Posted by OPPAINTER

There is a jumper on the board that is supose to do that, it won't clear Cmos, it will leave your settings.
Also, you can store your Bios settings in the bios. If you happen to clear cmos you can always load your saved bios settings.

Welcome to Xtreme

OPP

**HARDCORECLOCKER** · 01-25-2005, 03:36 PM

Ordered a LEADTEK 6600 GT EXTREME which is not such a large card so I hope there won't be any problem with the SATA HDD's.

But want to get the chipset under water like I did with my NEO2, what about the SLI slot and the card - will it fit or not?

I mean there are the tubes from and to the cooler and I'm not sure where exactly the card is placed.

Is there anybody with a watercooled chipset on that board ???

THX !!!

**metro.cl** · 01-25-2005, 06:11 PM

sorry to bring this out, here, but opp are you getting a bullhead mobo, couse you are the only one that really take mobos to their limit, i really need to know the real diferences in performance between both mobos.

great score by the way.

**xs64** · 01-26-2005, 12:05 AM

just received the email from HPM-Computer , they said :

Dear customer,

DFI has just announced the official release date for the brandnew
nF4-boards. We expect the boards to arrive on the following days:

DFI nF4 Ultra-D: 01/27/05, 01/28/05
DFI nF4 SLI-D: 02/03/05
DFI nF4 SLI-DR: 02/03/05

HPM-Computer is one of only 3 companies in europe who is able to deliver
these boards that early.

So , everyone in Europa , ready for start your enginee

:banana4:

**Tony** · 01-26-2005, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by metro_oc.cl

sorry to bring this out, here, but opp are you getting a bullhead mobo, couse you are the only one that really take mobos to their limit, i really need to know the real diferences in performance between both mobos.

great score by the way.

Please remember Bullhead is a tweaked OEM board and doesn't have the overclocking features built in, the bios has been tweaked to overclock but it does have its limits.

you will see more ATI performance soon with a new rev of the board.

**Marquzz** · 01-26-2005, 04:12 AM

Feels great to have one already, it's gonna be a real hunt for these little babies

**mrlobber** · 01-26-2005, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by OPPAINTER

DFI and OCZ VX, there is no substitute

OPP

w00t, I'm getting the same combo

(well, except for dual cascade and an FX55

)

It's really great to hear that OCZ VX takes full advantage of the enormous DFI Vdimm options, and the board just keeps screaming by with it!

**metro.cl** · 01-26-2005, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by bigtoe

Please remember Bullhead is a tweaked OEM board and doesn't have the overclocking features built in, the bios has been tweaked to overclock but it does have its limits.

you will see more ATI performance soon with a new rev of the board.

thanks m8 hope so

**Brum Man** · 01-26-2005, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by xs64

just received the email from HPM-Computer , they said :

So , everyone in Europa , ready for start your enginee

:banana4:

Any idea what the other companies are??

**del_fuego** · 01-26-2005, 08:14 AM

Probably not OCuK, but hey, we may be lucky

**Brum Man** · 01-26-2005, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by del_fuego

Probably not OCuK, but hey, we may be lucky

Lets hope so! Strange when ppl recognise you from around different forums

**computersmsa** · 01-26-2005, 09:00 AM

Hello

Can you help me ?

I must have dimension and weight of box of :

DFI nF4 Ultra-D :
DFI nF4 SLI-D :
DFI nF4 SLI-DR :

It's urgent, thanks you very mush !

**Patrickclouds** · 01-26-2005, 10:07 AM

tomorrow i´ll get my sli-d
the sli-dr will be available on 3rd february 2005
and the ultra will also be available on 3rd february 2005

the difference between the sli-d and sli-dr are the 8 s-ata connectors instead of 4 s-ata connectors.
the sli-dr can do raid5 and has more accessories (pc transpo, sleeving-kit and the diagnostic led)
i dont´t need this stuff, so i changed my order from sli-dr to sli-d 20 minutes ago

**Brum Man** · 01-26-2005, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Patrickclouds

tomorrow i´ll get my sli-d
the sli-dr will be available on 3th february 2005
and the ultra will also be available on 3th february 2005

the difference between the sli-d and sli-dr are the 8 s-ata connectors instead of 4 s-ata connectors.
the sli-dr can do raid5 and has more accessories (pc transpo, sleeving-kit and the diagnostic led)
i dont´t need this stuff, so i changed my order from sli-dr to sli-d 20 minutes ago

But, erm, the official release date for both of the SLI boards isn't till the 3rd of feb, only the Ultra board is released tomorrow. So, I assume you are ordering your board from a retail outlet as you mention changing your order, your won't get you board until the 3rd of feb at earliest?

Look back at the post with the offical release date on it.

**Patrickclouds** · 01-26-2005, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Brum Man

But, erm, the official release date for both of the SLI boards isn't till the 3rd of feb, only the Ultra board is released tomorrow. So, I assume you are ordering your board from a retail outlet as you mention changing your order, your won't get you board until the 3rd of feb at earliest?

Look back at the post with the offical release date on it.

i got an email this evening:

Dear customer,

DFI has just changed the release dates.

DFI nF4 Ultra-D: 02/03/2005
DFI nF4 SLI-D: 01/27/2005
DFI nF4 SLI-DR: 02/03/2005

The SLI-D boards will arrive tomorrow (01/27/2005)

**Ratax** · 01-26-2005, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Patrickclouds

tomorrow i´ll get my sli-d
the sli-dr will be available on 3th february 2005
and the ultra will also be available on 3th february 2005

the difference between the sli-d and sli-dr are the 8 s-ata connectors instead of 4 s-ata connectors.
the sli-dr can do raid5 and has more accessories (pc transpo, sleeving-kit and the diagnostic led)
i dont´t need this stuff, so i changed my order from sli-dr to sli-d 20 minutes ago

Where did you pre-ordered it?
overclockers.co.uk have an issue with orders above 2Kg for the EU...

Can we expect the same overclocking capacity between SLI-D and SLI-DR?
Well.... when someone has them to try

thanks

**Mastakilla** · 01-26-2005, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER

Ordered a LEADTEK 6600 GT EXTREME which is not such a large card so I hope there won't be any problem with the SATA HDD's.

But want to get the chipset under water like I did with my NEO2, what about the SLI slot and the card - will it fit or not?

I mean there are the tubes from and to the cooler and I'm not sure where exactly the card is placed.

Is there anybody with a watercooled chipset on that board ???

THX !!!

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...&threadid=4688
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...7231#post47231

trying to find out exactly the same thing

aint lookin to good on 1st sight...

**Patrickclouds** · 01-26-2005, 10:51 AM

i pre-ordered from hpm-computer in germany

**Blindbat** · 01-26-2005, 11:57 AM

Did anyone say DUAL GPU watercool in SLI mode?

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20808

**Lood007** · 01-26-2005, 12:09 PM

wow.

**Dissolved** · 01-26-2005, 12:39 PM

not all boards will fit that waterblock tho..

**HARDCORECLOCKER** · 01-26-2005, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mastakilla

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...&threadid=4688
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...7231#post47231

trying to find out exactly the same thing

aint lookin to good on 1st sight...

Hm, seems to be a little complicated - I use the same watercooler from 1A cooling and in fact there are only 2 questions:

1) Will a single 6600 GT fit in the upper slot when waterblock is mounted ?

2) If not, can I use the lower slot 16x with a single card without losing performance ?

Here is a picture of my setup with the NEO2, the old FX5200 AGP and waterblock mounted:

Isn't there anybody in the staates who got his chipset under water ???

Come on guys - there must be someone to help us...............

**Ratax** · 01-26-2005, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Patrickclouds

i pre-ordered from hpm-computer in germany

Thanks!

I pre-ordered a DFI LANparty nF4 SLI-DR too from this site...
Don't understand German, but I get there

Hope it will be shipped 3th February.

**Mastakilla** · 01-26-2005, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER

Hm, seems to be a little complicated - I use the same watercooler from 1A cooling and in fact there are only 2 questions:

1) Will a single 6600 GT fit in the upper slot when waterblock is mounted ?

2) If not, can I use the lower slot 16x with a single card without losing performance ?

Here is a picture of my setup with the NEO2, the old FX5200 AGP and waterblock mounted:

Isn't there anybody in the staates who got his chipset under water ???

Come on guys - there must be someone to help us...............

hehe

funny u have same WC that i wanted to buy

u like it?
prolly gonna get one with dual rad, eheim 1048 and blocks for cpu, gpu and nb (if possible offcourse

)

hope u buy ur dfi nf4u soon then... cause id like to know if it fits

been askin some more stuff about it in that 2th link btw

**HARDCORECLOCKER** · 01-26-2005, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mastakilla

hehe

funny u have same WC that i wanted to buy

u like it?
prolly gonna get one with dual rad, eheim 1048 and blocks for cpu, gpu and nb (if possible offcourse

)

hope u buy ur dfi nf4u soon then... cause id like to know if it fits

been askin some more stuff about it in that 2th link btw

Here You can see the rest of it:

A very nice cooling system for chipset and even for CPU with the HV-3 cooler - before I came to single phase I managed to cool down a 2600+ mobile at 2,7 GHz and 1,96 Vcore to 26°C on normal water !!!

The DFI NF4 ULTRA is already ordered - will arrive tomorrow in Europe NL so I guess will get it soon.

**Mastakilla** · 01-26-2005, 02:21 PM

very nice man

cant see the pics though...

lookin forward to ur experiences with it

**HARDCORECLOCKER** · 01-26-2005, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mastakilla

very nice man

cant see the pics though...

lookin forward to ur experiences with it

Yep - stay tuned. Pics won't work sometimes, to much access on my HP.

Crazy guys have limitted the access and denies it when it gets to much....,

a little later it will work again.

I really do see hard times coming - either cutting a hole in my GPU or move the chipset to another place on the board.......

**Mastakilla** · 01-26-2005, 02:35 PM

well...

just got the answer...

and it aint good

we can only use the "better placed" slot as a pci 2x slot
even when having an sli version its not possible to use a single VC only in the "better placed" slot at 8x, u need two VCs for 8x + 8x, otherwhise its also 2x 16x

hope somehow it does fit using that "evil slot".. but im fearing the worst

guess its allmost time then for a dfi nf4 nb blocks compability list

nice pic btw:
mine is goin inside though, on the bottom (stacker case)

**HARDCORECLOCKER** · 01-26-2005, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mastakilla

well...

just got the answer...

and it aint good

we can only use the "better placed" slot as a pci 2x slot
even when having an sli version its not possible to use a single VC only in the "better placed" slot at 8x, u need two VCs for 8x + 8x, otherwhise its also 2x 16x

hope somehow it does fit using that "evil slot".. but im fearing the worst

guess its allmost time then for a dfi nf4 nb blocks compability list

nice pic btw:
mine is goin inside though, on the bottom (stacker case)

Hm, so what to do? Leave the chipset on air is no problem, OPB clocked this board like hell and his chipset is also still on air but I can't get familliar with the tought to sell my WC.

I think it's not just the cooler itself but the tubes and most of all the adaptors and screw fittings which need to much space.

Even if finding another way for the tubes You can not get a hard angle for it right in front of the cooler - otherwise they will be damaged.

Indeed I can not see a solution............

**cpulloverclock** · 01-26-2005, 03:36 PM

**manalainen** · 01-27-2005, 07:39 AM

Hmm, about the chipset cooling, how about a system similar to the one used in Shuttle SFF´s...

A small and flat heatsink on top of the heat generator (CPU, NB etc.) with built-in heatpipes for carrying the heat away to a large and possibly actively cooled heatsink? The other end could also be a watercooling block.

The only problems I see with this approach is the way of fixing the end of this gizmo to the MB so that it wouldn´t rip it apart or crush the chipset. Torque becomes a major factor as the lenght of the heatpipe increases... Then again it could be mounted so that the other end is supported by a structure that is affixed to the motherboard via it´s mounting screws...

Opinions? Does this sound absurd?

**Lood007** · 01-27-2005, 07:46 AM

i wonder if danger den will be coming out with a waterblock to fit this...

I could envision a less-deep maze4gpu-version of a chipset block working fine... with the inlet and outlet on the side of the waterblock.

**manalainen** · 01-27-2005, 07:54 AM

Well, found this out at dfi-street:

CPU Killer said:
You are right, I am working on a block for this mobo, but it doesn't mean that I will release it. It will be very challanging to get a block to work in the location it is in. With 2 Vid Cards right above it, may prove to be more work than it is worth.... But I am working on it....

So if it ever comes out it will most certainly take some time...

**Patrickclouds** · 01-27-2005, 08:53 AM

i got it now

:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

**kraggy** · 01-27-2005, 09:09 AM

@ patrickclouds.....Does your mobo package inslude a SLI connector???

**trakslacker** · 01-27-2005, 09:10 AM

hook that bad boy up and lets see some results.

congrats, you're one of the first people in the consumer public to get this board. woot!

**RAINFIRE** · 01-27-2005, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by kraggy

@ patrickclouds.....Does your mobo package inslude a SLI connector???

I think that is what is in the orange bubble wrap.

**OPPAINTER** · 01-27-2005, 09:30 AM

Rainfire is right, thats a connector in the bubble wrap.

Nice looking board

OPP

**eva2000** · 01-27-2005, 10:20 AM

nice pics ... wish i had that board

**xgman** · 01-27-2005, 11:19 AM

what's with the plastic cpu back plate?

**uwackme** · 01-27-2005, 01:04 PM

The SLI bridge connector is in the pink bubblewrap.

Im so jealous.

I wish someone would slap 2 36/74G Raptors on raid0 to tell us how fast the new NV raid controller is.

**cantankerous** · 01-27-2005, 01:09 PM

Hopefully better than the SIl 3114. Especially in terms of writes.

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