It's basically just 2 conroes on 1 pcbOriginally Posted by andyisc00l
It's basically just 2 conroes on 1 pcb
I like the way you say "just"..It's basically just 2 conroes on 1 pcbas if conroe isn't enough of a monster, now they make it a double!
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Pat Gelsinger said Conroe doesn't have HT.
HT will resurface with the Nehalem generation of cores , mid 2008.
and you know that how?
Because Pat Gelsinger said that current Conroes do not have HT. And HT is on the internal roadmaps for Nehalem that have been leaked. Simple as that.
Now we'll see what turns up in reality.
ooh looking good, can't wait
Screw HT, it's a waste IMO.
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Huh ? If you'd bother to understand the concept I'm pretty sure you'd change your opinion.
HT was good when it first started, but now it's useless vs real core.
I don't see how a 4 core HT CPU (8 logical core) could be better than 4 core when 98% of the software/games won't even use the first 2 core completely.
Sure on paper ,it's nice. But in reality, dual core is still far from his full potential.
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Most people I know don't use virtulization. Why include virtulization enhancing features on a chip?
Nehelam is still going to be dual core on most desktop chips, if I recall correctly. HT allows better use of the execution resources. If a process is truly multithreaded, it will benefit. Assuming it doesn't add unreasonable complexity/power useage to the chip, then why not have it added?
OT: Nehelam backwards is MALE HEN
Why are ppl talking about Nehelam? Penryn is the next core....45nm shrink of Conroe...
Ok....Penryn backwards is NyrnepWhy are ppl talking about Nehelam? Penryn is the next core....45nm shrink of Conroe...
FCG, will you be able to post benchmarks or are you limted by NDA?
(its okay if you are. i completely understand)
Because People are typically more interested in dramatic architecture shifts like Conroe, and not optical shrinks with more cache or not like Cedar Mill and Brisbane.Why are ppl talking about Nehelam? Penryn is the next core....45nm shrink of Conroe...
I am only half heartedly interested in Penryn, Intel's 45nm process is a ways off for now Q3 2007 I bet at the earliest. I haven't quite gotten over Conroe yet, it hasn't even arrived for god sakes.
What I am most interested is Bloomfield which is probably going to be the most "advanced" core based on Core Architecture after that we should be looking Nehalem derived products. Apparently is a monolithic core with an unkown amount of shared cache, I am hoping for 8-12MB or it can you imagine all that cache dedicated to a Single Threaded program.
Though Allendale and Conroe optical shrinks Wolfdale and Ridgefield are of some interests, as is Penryn which is the optical shrink of Merom, all these cores will be basically be like their older versions on 65nm with some minor tweaks and more cache basically and on the newer 45nm node with perhaps some higher FSB speed.
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That extra 2% of SW might account for 75% of the SW revenue in the server world in rest assured that SMT is used there ( From Xeon MP to Power 5 ).
And that isn't on paper .It's real life.
Nehalem will be quad-core or more.
Pat Gelsinger said :
- at 90nm we had a little DC ( 10% )
- at 65 we have most DC (70%) and a little QC ( 10% )
- at 45nm we have most QC ( 70% ) and a little OC ( 10% )
The bad thing about SMT is that it is truly difficult to do ( why do you think AMD didn't bother ? ) .For the P4 for example it used an extra 5% die space but accounted for 90% of the problems at debuging.. It was dropped from Core familly because of time to market and thermal issues.
45nm woohoo.. to think our grand kids will have cheap <45nm based cpu systems in the future LOLWhy are ppl talking about Nehelam? Penryn is the next core....45nm shrink of Conroe...
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will there be a tecnique after 45nm ?(i mean one that was mentioned till today in some roadmap or so ?)
you mean for smaller process? yes its called intel tri-gate it is based on 3d transistors and should work for 32nm and 22nm
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3745 This M/B seems to be Quad everthing . But no duallie GPU's what a waste
OT: Nehelam backwards is MALE HEN
MALE HEN?????
ham?? mmmmm
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aka a :banana::banana::banana::banana:?OT: Nehelam backwards is MALE HEN
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Yep. 32nm which Intel plans to release in 2009.This process size brings 2 major things : tri-gate transistors and high-k dielectrics.
1st core on 32nm will be Nehalem-C ( shrink of the 45nm Nehalem ) , followed by yet a new microarch called Gesher ( 2010 )
Gesher is designed by Intel Israel ( guys who did Pentium M , Conroe ) while Nehalem is the work of Intel Oregon.
any link to the leaked roadmap?Because Pat Gelsinger said that current Conroes do not have HT. And HT is on the internal roadmaps for Nehalem that have been leaked. Simple as that.
Now we'll see what turns up in reality.
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