Groundbreaking News : Free-DC Surrender!!

[Gorgeous]

Free - DC surrender 4th spot before we even make 5th.

[chunkylover77]

Well they bring up some interesting points. I didn't know that D2OL is possibly not a worthwhile project. Anyone have any info on the concerns voiced over at Free-DC? I thought I was doing something that will benefit mankind.

[Magnj]

yea, I thought this was actualy usefull. I mean its fun for the stats but... Is our working going un useD?

[v4p0r]

Makes me wonder whether it is better to give up or get beaten.

[NoX]

I have the same doubts. How come the D2OL research team hasn't published an update on the project status since 2003/2004. What's going on?

[em99010pepe]

I knew already that D2OL was a "dead" project.

Carlos

[Bok]

Hey Guys,

we certainly don't want to be seen to be trying to disillusion anyone. What you guys have produced is simply amazing and most of us are looking forward to seeing you roadkill TA Ronbo's achievements are similarly amazing.

The concerns we've raised have been there for some time, it's the reason why a number of people tailed off when we were going well. We just couldn't get any answers from the guys running the project. I did manage to get an email from Wolfgang and he promised answers, unfortunately when they came they were nothing really new and any promises made were not kept.

So we mostly ducked out. Though as with everything at Free-DC, people are always free to crunch whatever they wish

Bok

[shmaa]

Hey Guys,

we certainly don't want to be seen to be trying to disillusion anyone. What you guys have produced is simply amazing and most of us are looking forward to seeing you roadkill TA Ronbo's achievements are similarly amazing.

The concerns we've raised have been there for some time, it's the reason why a number of people tailed off when we were going well. We just couldn't get any answers from the guys running the project. I did manage to get an email from Wolfgang and he promised answers, unfortunately when they came they were nothing really new and any promises made were not kept.

So we mostly ducked out. Though as with everything at Free-DC, people are always free to crunch whatever they wish

Bok

Awsome words Bok! Thanks for sticking up for us.

I've often wondered whether all this work and CPU power is actually doing any good either... but since XS only seems to back 1 DC project at a time, D2OL is it. Besides, we have a point to prove with DPC.

[PS2pcGAMER]

Congrats to you guys at XS for dominating D2OL by so much the past 6 or 8 months or so. Truly a job well done.

If anyone is wants to read a thread about some thoughts about D2OL over at Free-DC, here it is. I think it was posted at XS before, but just in case anyone missed it. I truly wish the admins of D2OL would be more available, it would help this project considerably in getting more teams to run it again.

[trakslacker]

man I don't wanna be a downer, but crunching D2OL really loses its appeal for me if the results do nothing. Yeah the competition is awesomely fun and we are on a rampage up the stats here, but the real benefit for me is helping to create cures and solutions to the diseases that plague our world. If thats not happening AT ALL, then I see no point in running. I dont know if this idea that to D2Ol admins are doing squat with our work is true, but if it is, I'd rather run something like FaD that does provide concrete evidence of progress.

I'm not saying XS needs to switch to FaD or anything, but its usefulness is something to ponder.

Thoughts?

[shmaa]

man I don't wanna be a downer, but crunching D2OL really loses its appeal for me if the results do nothing. Yeah the competition is awesomely fun and we are on a rampage up the stats here, but the real benefit for me is helping to create cures and solutions to the diseases that plague our world. If thats not happening AT ALL, then I see no point in running. I dont know if this idea that to D2Ol admins are doing squat with our work is true, but if it is, I'd rather run something like FaD that does provide concrete evidence of progress.

I'm not saying XS needs to switch to FaD or anything, but its usefulness is something to ponder.


Thoughts?

I just wish the folks at D2OL would give us some clear insite... if they aren't doing anything with the results, then why not just end the project? Why waste money to keep the stats servers running?.. etc.

EDIT:

Has anyone read this? Doesn't really explain too much... and I'm still not 100% convinced our work is actually being put to use... but at least they realize the D2OL community is getting frustrated with the lack of answers.

http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimate...021;p=1#000000

[NapalmV5]

If we're not gonna see any improvements from the D2OL peeps.....

let's unite and go for #1 in F@H which Hardocp holds now.

Free-DC @ 48 + XS dedicated crunching =

How about it guys?

Just a thought...

[NapalmV5]

Maybe 'all' the teams should stop crunching till we get 'facts'?

[RocKer]

Yiiii thats a bummer,all that work can't be for nothing is it guy's.

And yes shmaa i read it and there is one little quote that i did'nt like very much,namely this one

Since this is a military run facility, I guess they are not to open about the information they do give out.

,what do you think about this guy's.

[NapalmV5]

Just read that and went

[NoX]

[scrible88]

So should everyone switch over to the XS F@H team? If this is truly a "dead" project and they are not using the information we crunch, what's the point?

All these machines we have crunching is worthless if the data is not being used!

[conrad.maranan]

I'll be frank by stating that I was looking into this issue earlier last week. I was beginning to develop doubts regarding Sengent's D2OL project due to the lack of information to be found regarding their research and drug development. I will continue to move forward with my crunching (for now) while I look into more worthwhile projects. Find-a-Drug looks to be a very promising project.

DDTUNG and Rodzilla: I'd like to hear your thoughts regarding this matter.

[NapalmV5]

Which is better ? F@H / Find-a-drug

I'm not gonna stop D2OL till it is decided...

XS FaD or XS F@H, i'll go with either.

[Disposibleteen]

I also am beginning to doubt this project, im thinking about moving all of my work back over to SETI@home, i have faith in that project.

[PS2pcGAMER]

I'd just like to point out that they still might be taking advantage of all of the hardwork that you guys are doing, they just might be very unresponsive. So don't jump ship yet.

[conrad.maranan]

Has anyone read this? Doesn't really explain too much... and I'm still not 100% convinced our work is actually being put to use... but at least they realize the D2OL community is getting frustrated with the lack of answers.

http://www.d2ol.com/cgi-bin/ultimate...021;p=1#000000

The closing post at the very bottom is very disturbing to me. It reads as follows:

I hope I have convinced everybody of the existence of our collaborator at NCI-Frederick. Since this is a military run facility, I guess they are not to open about the information they do give out. Dr. Panchal will be a co-author on the peer-reviewed publication.

I don't know about you guys, but having my results submitted to some military facility that I know nothing of doesn't sound very good to me. How do I know my results aren't being used to design new forms and variations of bio-chemical weapons? I want to know for a fact that my distributed computing efforts are going straight into the labs of well-known research institutes.

[scrible88]

The closing post at the very bottom is very disturbing to me. It reads as follows:

I don't know about you guys, but having my results submitted to some military facility that I know nothing of doesn't sound very good to me. How do I know my results aren't being used to design new forms and variations of bio-chemical weapons? I want to know for a fact that my distributed computing efforts are going straight into the labs of well-known research institutes.

Seconded.

[NapalmV5]

I also am beginning to doubt this project, im thinking about moving all of my work back over to SETI@home, i have faith in that project.

Disposibleteen, don't get me wrong... gave SETI@home a try many years ago and i think it is the most pointless project out there, dunno what it has to offer humanity... just my opinion.

[chunkylover77]

Military facilities are some of the best in terms of research into deadly diseases. A simple google search shows this.
http://web.ncifcrf.gov/
I'm not worried about the military using the research I am just worried that noone is using it.