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    Cool Consolidated 8RDA+ vDD mod thread.

    Well having rooted through that huge thread Jeff started several times over now I got sick and tired of it and compiled it all into one thread to make for easier reading. The words are my own, the pictures are nicked from various sources. Full credit to the guys who figured the mod out - I didnt even have the board at the time . Anyway, on with the show.

    The Vdd(chipset) mod described in this thread will VOID YOUR WARRANTY!!! Only attempt the mod if you understand this and are willing to risk damaging your board. PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!


    First of all make sure you improve drastically on the rather crappy cooling thats provided with the board. Theres plenty of room round the northbridge, and id recommend utilising that even if you decide not to do the vdd mod .

    You dont need anything massive, something like an old cheap aluminium heatsink and a nice quiet 60mm fan will do nicely. At 2v the northbridge @ 250mhz (max available but unlikely to get there ) puts out approx 44watts under full load. Pretty much any 60mm fan designed heatsink will cool that down to acceptable levels.

    OK, on to the modding .

    Locate the chip in question from the piccys provided. Its the closest 8 pin chip to the dimm slots at the middle of the board side. The pins you need to mod are the ones facing away from the dimm slots, so its nice and easy to solder or use grabbers on them. The VDD (voltage to the nForce2 chipset) is controlled by the IRU3037A chip which is supplying around 1.55-1.6V default on the 8RDA+ board. Pin 1 Fb is connected directly to the output of the switching regulator via resistor divider to provide feedback to the Error amplifier. Therefore if we connect a resistor across Pin 1 Fb to Pin 4 Gnd, we can decrease the resistance and increase the VDD. These pins are the first and last pins on that side.


    Id recommend using about 1.88v. In my tests this prooved the most gain from the least voltage. Over this diminishing returns kick in and you see ever smaller fsb increases from using larger steps in voltage. 1.88v gave me a no bullsh*t 100% stable increase of 20mhz on the FSB. From 196mhz dual channel and 202mhz single channel to 216mhz dual channel and 222mhz single channel.

    Further mods which I personally figured out include heatsinking the cpu vreg (large chip located behind the PS2 ports) and the 6 voltage mosfets (a strip of 6 chips just behind the serial ports running parallel to the cpu socket) and v+ mosfet (smaller mosfet than the voltage mosfets just behind the ps2 port but infront of the vreg) gained me another 6 - 8mhz stable. This was mostly due to smoothing current out across the voltage lines rather than improving the pure hardware clocking ability of the board. Before this mod I could not use over 2v vcore without random freezes at over 2ghz. After it I am now able to use 2.2v right up to 2.45ghz with no voltage related freezes at all. Below is the area of the board which must be heatsinked up.


    Back to the vDD mod.

    Heres a rough guide on resistance to voltage increase. I would recommend using a fixed resistor and not an adjustable pot. POTs never give as much signal clarity and tend to have a higher waver of resistance than fixed resistor. Youll get small voltage fluctuations due to their larger inaccuracy.

    Default = 1.58v
    1k resistor = 1.625v
    850ohm resistor = 1.68v
    750 ohm resistor = 1.75v
    640 ohm resistor = 1.81v
    540 ohm resistor = 1.88v
    400ohm resistor = 2.0v
    120 ohm resistor = 2.2v

    As stated in my pm to you I would not suggest going over 1.9v so as to keep the circuit within manufactured tolerances (20%). I am certain that running over 2v will shorten the life of the board, but if this does not concern you go for it . Quick test of voltage v FSB came up with the following :

    1.58v = 196mhz DC / 202mhz SC
    1.625v = 200mhz DC / 207mhz SC
    1.68v = 206mhz DC / 212mhz SC
    1.75v = 210mhz DC / 216mhz SC
    1.81 = 213mhz DC / 220mhz SC
    1.88v = 216mhz DC / 222mhz SC (222 I believe is the limit of the corsair stick I was using to test @ 2.9v. This stick does 226mhz at the same volts in an intel system)
    2.0v = 218mhz DC / 222mhz SC (and a fairly warm northbridge heatsink)
    2.2v = 220mhz DC / 222mhz SC (base of the NB heatsink was BURNING hot).

    Your board seems to have a similar initial limit to mine at stock VDD, so id say your results will be pretty similar to mine if not identical.

    I would recommend lapping the northbridge and the heatsink youre going to use before fitting. The northbridge is convex as standard (the black surround on mine was a full mm above the metal centre). If you lap the northbridge id recommend going on until you start seeing copper through the tinned surface. This will give you the optimum contact depth. 2mms below that copper is the core itself, so dont go too deep. This is also a good way of checking you have a nice level northbridge. an even spread of copper on the core indicates a nice flat chip. I lap heatsinks as a matter of course anyway. Depending on what heatsink you use it may not be necessary, but 20 minutes of elbow grease always puts my mind at ease that im getting good contact, so I see it as a small price to pay.

    To fit the heatsink to the northbridge you can either mark out the heatsink to drill holes to accept the mobo hole spacing, or simply use AS adhesive. I decided to use AS adhesive seeing as im lazy and couldnt be bothered to take the board out of the case .

    I would also recommend using the stock northbridge heatsink on the southbridge. This thing gets VERY hot (cant touch it for more than a second without burning my finger). the standard northbridge fits the holes around the SB, so its easy to do. The only mod you will have to do is to snap a couple of fins off the stock heatsink (dead easy, just use a pair of grips and move them side to side until they come off) to clear the clock crystal which is right next to the SB.

    PiLsY.

    [EDIT] Sorry guys - you killed my hosting . Email me if you want the pics or fancy hosting for me .

    [Edit #2] Pics are now hosted courtesy of CTGilles further down the page - thanks m8 .
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    Great work PiLsY!!!





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    Man, I have to agree. Very nice thread. Makes me want to rip my board out and get some soldering experience
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    Indeed...thx for the compilation, PiLsY
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    Pilsy, read you got banned over at AOA whats that for?

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    Can you take a look at this thread (ignore stepper, my intention was not to request CPU overclocks, but to question the nature and affects the Vdd voltage has on CPU overclocking) ?

    EDIT:

    Btw, my board seems to be different. It is the single recorded motherboard that did exceptionally well at stock compared to the gains afterwards (no doubt because i was running TwinMOS PC-3200).

    Stock:
    1.55v - 221 (Max stable Sandra Memory Benchmark) - 215mhz Prime95 stable (error free)
    1.79v - 228 (Max stable Sandra Memory Benchmark) - 215mhz Prime95 stable (error free)

    The Vdd did make a difference with dual channel however. I was able to load up two sticks @ 2-2-2-5 @ 228mhz, without it being the middle of the night/cooling the sticks in the fridge, and booting on a dirty OS.
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    Bravo, what was your highest 3dMark stable set-up (with dual channel) before and after doing the mod?
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    Thanx For the tips Pilsy....just ready to start gettin into that stuff here




    AOA bans u if u fart worng.....
    or ask a question and actually expect a decent answer from the techs
    dang shame

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    Originally posted by BrainStorm
    Bravo, what was your highest 3dMark stable set-up (with dual channel) before and after doing the mod?
    I was 222mhz 3DMark capable @ 1.75v, and 220 i think @ 1.55

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    @ Bravo, so it didn't make that much difference for you, then. But as you say, in general the vdd mod didn't help you as much as others. BTW, were those speeds just for a benchmark run, or could you loop them all day/night long?

    @Mickey Mouse, also, can you loop 3dMark for extended periods of time at that speed, or is it just a speed you can get a benchmarking run at?
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    So I can just go to radio shack and ask for a 640 ohm resistor, solder it on to pins 1 and 4, and I should have around 1.8v? Thats what I want because my ram maxes at 208fsb and right now I cant break 180 without issues! My northbridge voltage is currently 1.59-1.60

    Seems to easy to be true Just hope my soldering skills are up to par! I used to mod playstations and such but i dont know how good I am now.

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    Originally posted by BrainStorm
    @ Bravo, so it didn't make that much difference for you, then. But as you say, in general the vdd mod didn't help you as much as others. BTW, were those speeds just for a benchmark run, or could you loop them all day/night long?
    Peak speeds, depending on the air temperature, my Prime95 stable speed is 215mhz or 217 Dual/Single Channel (2-2-2-5)

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    I'm gonna do the mod some time this weekend, already sticked an old full copper spire CPU cooler on the NB, and the original thing on the SB

    It's really crowded in there now, only a couple of mm's clearance in between the CPU cooler and the NB cooler, not much more clearance between the NB cooler and a GF4 memsink, and about 5mm clearance between another GF4 memsink and the SB cooler :P

    Good thing that there is a lot of fresh air going through there...

    I'll post my results when I've done the mod, I'm now at around 200 MHz stable.
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    ok, so it seems that looping speed is some 5-7 mhz below the speed folks can do a benchmarking run. That correlates pretty well with my experience.
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    Doesnt explain how i can clock higher then the majority of users without the Vdd mod.
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    I don't know either Bravo. I had np with high fsb b4 the mod.. I just did it to get a lil more.. stability is better at higher clocks also....

    O wait a minute.. my bios got borked, replaced,borked again and now it isn't running at all...... will be doing some checking on it this weekend...... but I must say it is not looking good as of now.

    I had the cold boot at 220+ issue it seems. ( unplugged it to put some hs's on) and didn't clear cmos before firing it up.. it cycled once ( not happily either- on the bench ), hit reset to enter bios to check temps..... FF AGAIN!!!! Got ANOTHER Bios chip and it still isn't working, no cycling through the codes. just FF the minute it gets turned on.
    I must say I am not happy............and even though it performed well( for the 1 1/2 months I beat on it), I'm not sure I'm gonna get another one if I can't get this one running.
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    Originally posted by muzz
    O wait a minute.. my bios got borked, replaced,borked again and now it isn't running at all...... will be doing some checking on it this weekend...... but I must say it is not looking good as of now.

    I must say I am not happy............and even though it performed well( for the 1 1/2 months I beat on it), I'm not sure I'm gonna get another one if I can't get this one running.
    Sorry to hear that muzz, you seemed to be one of the more successful folks with this board.
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    MY gf was using the board while I was taking a nap.... I left it running over 230+........ something went wrong I guess ( I was trying out the 3115 bios- just that day), and by the time she woke me the box was really acting up, so I shut it down.. it wouldn't start back up no matter what ....got a new bios.. it was running.. I used it for over an hour( a lil over 220 I think when I shut it down) b4 deciding to add 3 more hs while it was out of the box. I was very careful applying the AS E, but I forgot to clear the cmos the next morning( shouldn't have to do that just because it was unplugged).
    I think it's bs that I have to go through this.... as obviously it was running fine the night b4 (I even ran a few benchies over 230 to make sure).
    I dunno what to do.. I do know that I had done some work to the board b4 ( hence I had it unplugged for a good while) while running the c10 bios and this never happened........
    Just a coincidence? I dunno, but I do know that this K7M sux ass.
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    Muzz

    i had the FF problem too. This happened when the system stalled in windows, or when i used the reset button (about 1 in 5 times).

    The solution is:

    1. Power it up with a different processor (i used a duron the second time)
    2. Power off at the wall, let the system discharge, and power back up.

    Number 2 has worked without fail for me when i get the FF post code on boot (but no boot). Number 1 has happened twice, not since installing the vapo however.
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    #2 has worked for me too. :thumbsup: If I don't let the power supply discharge then I get a 'cold boot' issue that eventually leads to a corrupt BIOS.





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    Well I've tried a bunch of things here...... haven't tried a new processor, as I don't have 1 handy........ never had a problem till just recently. I have more stuff to try it seems.

    Thx

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    I did the mod on my 8RDA+ now, can get to around 220-225, but I thing my heatsink doesn't make very good contact... Windows is starting to act weird @ 2.0V, while the thing doesn't get very hot... Runnig stable @ 215 MHz now, 1.85V.
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    I would highly recoment lapping the northbridge, mine was as concave as a cereal bowl. I wasn't stable in 3D apps even at 166fsb w/socket7 heatsink and fan on it. I lapped mine last night to a nice 1500grit finnish and been running pirme95, hot cpu tester, and 3Dmark for over 12 hrs @200mhz Vdd@1.8 without a single issue; before it wouldnt last an hour.

    Question to anybody that has lapped there NB, did you ever get the center copper, mine has a small square silver middle, I lapped for a long time and never got the center down to copper, the square is about 1x1cm.

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    Originally posted by Adam217
    I would highly recoment lapping the northbridge, mine was as concave as a cereal bowl. I wasn't stable in 3D apps even at 166fsb w/socket7 heatsink and fan on it. I lapped mine last night to a nice 1500grit finnish and been running pirme95, hot cpu tester, and 3Dmark for over 12 hrs @200mhz Vdd@1.8 without a single issue; before it wouldnt last an hour.

    Question to anybody that has lapped there NB, did you ever get the center copper, mine has a small square silver middle, I lapped for a long time and never got the center down to copper, the square is about 1x1cm.
    I've never lapped anything but my NB is dome shaped! I need to level it a bit to get good contact, and I'm not sure how to go about doing it. Any basic tips?

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    The way I do it is find a crappy old NB heatsink and stick some 1000 grit sandpaper on the back using thermal tape. Hold the "heatsink" onto whatever you want to lap and use circular motions to even it off. Do say 20 circuits in one direction, then change directions for another 20. Repeat until its nice and level.

    Youll get better results by using some form of lubriciation - believe it or not good old fashioned spit seems to work quite well...dont use too much though . You only need a fine spray . Just lick your finger and wipe it over the chip and your "sanding block" until the whole things moist. Id hesitate to use oil or anything like that as you dont want to impregnate the absorbant "black stuff" around the NB with anything oil based. You want it to dry out afterwards.

    Hey I admit its a bit disgusting, but it works .

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