What do I need to get Pent D to 4Ghz...

[Charles Wirth]

Side off is not pulling fresh air to CPU, its stagnant and no air flow at all is happening and the EE runs a lot warmer, I know as I have the 840EE and it can only do 3.73Ghz on stock vcore.

best you will get from me is a 32m pi. I dont run prime for hours.

My source on arbitration is Intel, I am an Intel developer. This was knowledge we had back before you even heard of dual core.

Think back when HT was introduced and people complained in the performance hit when compared to cores without HT??

where did you come up with ee adds 6 watts?

Like I said, forget about reviews and crap timing. Quit with the nonsense on loose timings is good stuff.

If you look at the other screen shot it shows a cinebench but that is a short intensive run as well.

When you are talking trash about XS you are talking about me and I take it personal.

Next post better be an apology from you, the lack of one already shows your intent.

[Lithan]

Side off is not pulling fresh air to CPU, its stagnant and no air flow at all is happening and the EE runs a lot warmer, I know as I have the 840EE and it can only do 3.73Ghz on stock vcore.

That's not true unless the fan only flows ~ 10cfm or less or is in a very small case. With the flow a typical 80mm fan gets, the air is easily reintegrated with room air and within a degree or two of ambient when it get's fed back to the fan. The much more important purpose of a shroud is to direct airflow (hard to see on heatsink fans, but with a box fan, the effect is very evident). By preventing intake at an angle you decrease the angle of the exhaust. But due to Intel's heatsink design (which takes advantage of angled exhaust from the fan), this wouldn't be desirable. The only thing Intel could hope to gain from an intake shroud would be to keep fresh air at the cpu in spite of case temps. In actuallity, it's impact on airflow would probably do more damage than good when compaired with an open case.

best you will get from me is a 32m pi. I dont run prime for hours.

My source on arbitration is Intel, I am an Intel developer. This was knowledge we had back before you even heard of dual core.

32pi takes what, 20min? How about dual runs of Prime for 20min?

I'm not saying you are lying. I believe you were told that. But I suspect it was PR BS used by all Marketing people, because they don't understand it and they assume you won't either. I'd like to see some white pages that mention this if you can find/provide them.

Think back when HT was introduced and people complained in the performance hit when compared to cores without HT??

So we're compairing undeveloped HT with unoptimized programs versus the current incarnation of HT and programs that have been building on HT for years? You know that isn't fair. With a few Unoptimized HT programs and in certain Multitasking situations (due to problems with HT, HT does have problems with task assignment, but this is a flaw of HT (A bug if you will) and fairly uncommon. It's not a matter of Dual cores performing better. It's similar to putting a single core w/o HT into some of the tests we've seen (high priority encoder + low priority game and use games FPS to decide winner in a 3200+ versus 3.2c situation for example) you are setting it up to lose intentionally, so of course it isn't a fair compairison.


Edit: It's very likely Dual cores may perform better in most tasks once we are using apps optimized for dual cores instead of HT-enabled single cores. But by then Intel will have much better dual core cpu's out, so I can't recommend buying a D based on that prediction.

where did you come up with ee adds 6 watts?

System consumption of identical systems with 840 ee (ht) on/off @ full load.

Like I said, forget about reviews and crap timing. Quit with the nonsense on loose timings is good stuff.

I never said it was good. I said it wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. If it was as bad as you try to make it sound, there would have been a massive public outcry when Intel switched to DDR2. As it was, there was a minor performance hit that mostly slipped under the public's radar.

If you look at the other screen shot it shows a cinebench but that is a short intensive run as well.

I did miss that.

When you are talking trash about XS you are talking about me and I take it personal.

I've seen some pretty abject behavior by certain members here and I comment on that. You don't have to ban people for lying, trolling, or verbally assaulting others in your forums but then you also can't blame the people who complain about this behavior if you don't.

Next post better be an appology from you.

I'm sorry that I was in a bad mood and made the mistake of referring to the forums when I only meant to refer to the small group of members who were making the loudest noise here at the time. There are plenty of good members who didn't deserve to be lumped in with those.